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Have got some time ago a nice (imho) Dayak sumpitan. The blow pipe show a nice patination overall, it is 169 cm long and still have the scabbard for the spear point.
Would be of great interest for me to read your thoughts about this piece and get a possible age estimation. Thank you in advance. |
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IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD OLD EXAMPLE TO ME AND IS INTACT EVEN INCLUDING THE SCABBARD FOR THE SPEAR POINT. THE BLADE AND BLOWPIPE LOOKS OLDER THAN THE FIBER WRAP AND SCABBARD BUT EVEN THE NEWER FIBER LOOKS OLDER THAN WW2. SO I WOULD GUESS ITS BETWEEN 80 TO 100 YEARS OLD. A NICE INTACT EXAMPLE WITH GOOD PATINA.
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Hello Detlef,
the metal parts and the wood show a lot of age. The rattan binding is very bright coloured so indeed appears to be more recent. But this rattan does show cracks that indicate some age. The scabbard has a lot of patina, but it is more difficult to judge in this artificial light. What materinal is the mouthpiece ? metal ? brass ? Overal a nice piece. 80-100 years seems like a possibe age to me as well. Best regards, Willem |
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have hoped that you chime in since I know that you own some great sumpitans. ![]() The mouth piece is from brass and shows a good old patination. Best regards, Detlef |
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Hello Detlef,
Nice to see a sumpitan with Original scabbard. This is pretty rare, as most sumpitans I know have no scabbard. I also have a sumpitan with scabbard, which I attached some photos for reference. Kind regards, Maurice |
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MAURICE THAT'S AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE WITH FANCY FIBER DESIGN BINDINGS AND A VERY NICE TRADITIONAL SPEAR BLADE AND SCABBARD. THIS SCABBARD WAS DESIGNED NOT ONLY TO COVER THE BLADE BUT THE HOLE IN THE END OF THE BLOWPIPE. THIS FEATURE WOULD BE VERY GOOD TO KEEP DIRT,SPIDERS OR BUGS FROM GETTING IN AND MESSING UP THE SMOOTH BORE OF THE BLOWPIPE. IT WOULD ALSO FIT MORE SNUGLY AS IT WOULD FIT OVER THE BLADE AND THE OTHER METAL TANG END AS WELL AS OVER THE BLOWPIPE END. I HAVE FOUND LEAVES STUFFED IN THE BLOWPIPE BORE AT BOTH ENDS ON AMAZON EXAMPLES THAT SERVE THE SAME PURPOSE. (AMAZON BLOWGUNS DON'T HAVE A SPEAR BLADE)
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thank you very much for sharing pictures of your nice sumpitan. Like Barry I am fond of the nice rattan design and the well carved scabbard which not only cover the hole but the iron notch as well. May I ask how long your piece is? Best regards, Detlef |
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Thanks for sharing this unique piece. |
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The iron notch isn't iron but silver instead. My blowpipe (ofcourse I mean the sumpitan) is 241 cm long. Kind regards Maurice |
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You have beautifull examples as well! Kind regards, Maurice |
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Two more sumpitan entered the collection, one has a notch from wood but the important part is broken, both are longer as the first example and both spear points show pitting from corrosion which I have removed, at least the active corrosion. All comments are very welcome.
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Nice examples Detlef. Any ideas about how old these are.
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Wow! Blowguns with bayonets. Pretty work, too. Thanks for posting these, y'all.
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thank you! ![]() ![]() The other one shows an overall "smoke" patination from open fire, difficult to guess but could be a little bit older. I hope Willem or Maurice will comment since I think they will be able to tell us more. Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 21st March 2018 at 06:16 PM. |
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Beautiful pieces Detlef and wonderful new additions to your ever growing collection. One of these days I hope to find one for my own collection along with the dart container and hopefully darts as well.
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Posted below are pictures from the web which show such a structure on what appear to be old and more recent examples. Ian. Last edited by Ian; 21st March 2018 at 02:30 PM. |
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And three more without that structure, and never seem to have had it.
Ian. . |
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Some more variations.
Ian. . |
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sadly I've sold my very nice tolor some years ago. ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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Hi Ian,
yes, the notch is fairly common. What I want to say was that a notch from wood is not common, never seen one from wood before. Sumpitans complete without notch I've seen before. Thank you for posting all this interesting examples. Regards, Detlef |
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A fine example Detlef, congratulations. The ones I see around usually don't have the sheath and the condition not normally so good as yours.
Regards Colin |
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Thank you Colin!
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