Javanese Cirebon Rajamala Coteng-like keris hilt

[alexish]

I have always been curious about the origin of the coteng form Thailand. Coould it be inspired by the Rajamala hilt form Cirebon Java? I enclose an old example of a Rajamala hilt which strongly resembles a Coteng.

[Sajen]

Hi Alexish,

very good possible and I think that this was discussed here before and I think that others like Kerner has noticed this resemblance before when I remember correct.

Regards,
Detlef

[David]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Alexish,

very good possible and I think that this was discussed here before and I think that others like Kerner has noticed this resemblance before when I remember correct.

Regards,
Detlef

Yes, this has been discussed here before. If i am not mistaken Shahrial did some comparisons on these hilt forms some time ago. I'll try to find that thread.

[alexish]

I hereby enclose another example of a Cirebon/Tegal Rajamala handle.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by alexish

I hereby enclose another example of a Cirebon/Tegal Rajamala handle.

Sorry Alexish,

this isn't a Tegal Rayamala hilt, it look like Sumatran hilt with some Malay features to my eyes or a very unusual Coteng hilt.
Here a hilt from my own collection.

Regards,
Detlef

[David]

Originally Posted by alexish

I hereby enclose another example of a Cirebon/Tegal Rajamala handle.

To my eyes i would consider this a coteng hilt. Like Sajen, i also do not think it originates in Cirebon.

[kai]

Sorry to disagree, this isn't any genuine coteng hilt; I also don't see any features that suggest a Sumatran origin.

This looks like rather poor, later craftsmanship to me. I'd guess at a maker from Java/Madura...

Regards,
Kai