Indian Dagger, double blade.

Tim Simmons · 24th April 2008, 05:35 PM

I won this piece. It has the right look about it? Any infromation? I will post better pictures on its arrival. Small, total length 13" blade 8" Rather good fun? or a bad hair day?

CourseEight · 24th April 2008, 06:14 PM

Looks like it could be a real nice one to me. What's the handle made out of?

I think its clearly South Indian, at least the handle is:

http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=416

Never seen one with double blades, although they appear on bichwa fairly regularly:

http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=808

Can't wait to see better pics!

--Radleigh

Tim Simmons · 24th April 2008, 06:24 PM

Thanks Radleigh, I do hope you are right. I know little of these things so it was bit of a gamble. The pictures are not good, I will post better. I am unsure about the loop on the top of the scabbard but one can get concerned about nothing at times.

CourseEight · 24th April 2008, 06:32 PM

Hmmm, interesting. Of course a lot of Indian daggers use later scabbards, so that may not be cause for great concern. There is also the slightly less savory possibility that the blade is actually from an older bichwa, and the handle is a later replacement. How late would have to wait until you get it. There are of course far better experts than I who might be able to tell based on these pictures what's what. Good luck, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

--Radleigh

kronckew · 25th April 2008, 09:38 AM

interesting one, i saw that and was going to bid on it but it went a bit higher than i wanted to spend. hope you'll post a few better pictures when it arrives.

Tim Simmons · 3rd May 2008, 05:51 PM

Arrived today. Nice handle, The scabbard appears to be original. Why they have used a different brass at the top is anybodies guess. The tip of the blades are lightly swelled. I cleaned off a nasty scab of rust. I quite like it.

CourseEight · 3rd May 2008, 10:00 PM

Nice! Congrats.

katana · 3rd May 2008, 10:05 PM

Very nice Tim,
wish I had bid more

Congrats..

Regards David

fernando · 4th May 2008, 12:14 AM

What an ugly piece, Tim

... and is not even African

I'll be attentive at Swap Forum, in case you decide to get rid of it

Gonzalo G · 4th May 2008, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Arrived today. Nice handle, The scabbard appears to be original. Why they have used a different brass at the top is anybodies guess. The tip of the blades are lightly swelled. I cleaned off a nasty scab of rust. I quite like it.

I think the different brass ans style of ornamentaion is precisely due to what CourseEight mentioned: a possible re-mount of a bichwa double-blade in a handle which not belongs originally to it, IMHO. I think it was a very good purchase.
My best regards

Gonzalo

Tim Simmons · 4th May 2008, 12:10 PM

The brass around the scabbard may be a replacement but the handle was made for the blade. It is actually quite small and made of the same metal, the colour difference at the engraved forte is from rubbing against the wood insides of the scabbard. I have hopes that it is 19th century.

Norman McCormick · 4th May 2008, 02:56 PM

Hi Tim,
Nice piece, at times really difficult to tell from a sellers photographs just what's going to arrive in the post. It looks well put together and the casting appears well executed all pointing, I hope, to the 19th Century piece you're wishing for.
Regards,
Norman.

Lew · 4th May 2008, 09:02 PM

Tim

You did good

.

Lew

24th April 2008, 05:35 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Indian Dagger, double blade. I won this piece. It has the right look about it? Any infromation? I will post better pictures on its arrival. Small, total length 13" blade 8" Rather good fun? or a bad hair day? Attached Images

3rd May 2008, 05:51 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Arrived today. Nice handle, The scabbard appears to be original. Why they have used a different brass at the top is anybodies guess. The tip of the blades are lightly swelled. I cleaned off a nasty scab of rust. I quite like it. Attached Images

4th May 2008, 12:10 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	The brass around the scabbard may be a replacement but the handle was made for the blade. It is actually quite small and made of the same metal, the colour difference at the engraved forte is from rubbing against the wood insides of the scabbard. I have hopes that it is 19th century. Attached Images

24th April 2008, 06:14 PM	#2
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	Looks like it could be a real nice one to me. What's the handle made out of? I think its clearly South Indian, at least the handle is: http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=416 Never seen one with double blades, although they appear on bichwa fairly regularly: http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=808 Can't wait to see better pics! --Radleigh

24th April 2008, 06:24 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Thanks Radleigh, I do hope you are right. I know little of these things so it was bit of a gamble. The pictures are not good, I will post better. I am unsure about the loop on the top of the scabbard but one can get concerned about nothing at times.

24th April 2008, 06:32 PM	#4
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	Hmmm, interesting. Of course a lot of Indian daggers use later scabbards, so that may not be cause for great concern. There is also the slightly less savory possibility that the blade is actually from an older bichwa, and the handle is a later replacement. How late would have to wait until you get it. There are of course far better experts than I who might be able to tell based on these pictures what's what. Good luck, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you! --Radleigh

25th April 2008, 09:38 AM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	interesting one, i saw that and was going to bid on it but it went a bit higher than i wanted to spend. hope you'll post a few better pictures when it arrives.

3rd May 2008, 10:00 PM	#7
CourseEight Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 222	Nice! Congrats.

3rd May 2008, 10:05 PM	#8
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Very nice Tim, wish I had bid more Congrats.. Regards David

4th May 2008, 12:14 AM	#9
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	What an ugly piece, Tim ... and is not even African I'll be attentive at Swap Forum, in case you decide to get rid of it

4th May 2008, 02:56 PM	#12
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi Tim, Nice piece, at times really difficult to tell from a sellers photographs just what's going to arrive in the post. It looks well put together and the casting appears well executed all pointing, I hope, to the 19th Century piece you're wishing for. Regards, Norman.

4th May 2008, 09:02 PM	#13
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Tim You did good . Lew