strange javanese

[Mytribalworld]

Hi,
I just bought this one because I like the strange style.
totally gambling ,never seen it,but it look funny with that wavy ganja ( actually there's no ganja at all but don't know how to all it else ), very small wranka and ? mendak with stones.It looks pamorless.

pics are bad but will list better ones when it has arrived.

Arjan

[BluErf]

Yap, its a "ganja hilang". Lost its ganja. Sheath's not original too and probably lost one of its dauns.

[Henk]

Just like BluErf said. Gonjo is lost. Such a wavy gonjo is not uncommon, but I agree with you most gonjo's are straight.
Pamorless? I think the blade needs a cleaning and staining.

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Henk

Just like BluErf said. Gonjo is lost. Such a wavy gonjo is not uncommon, but I agree with you most gonjo's are straight.
Pamorless? I think the blade needs a cleaning and staining.

Agree too. The gonja's lost. It seems a good blade, probably with 5 luks of dhapur "pandawa lare" (five luks, with sekar kacang). It missed the "gonja wilut" (type of gonja with luks). If it is "pendawa lare", then it should have "greneng" in the end of the gonja...

I hope you won't throw the good blade away...

Ganjawulung

[A. G. Maisey]

Looks as if everybody is in agreement that the gonjo of this blade is missing.

Please accept my apologies for being a disagreeable old man.

From what I can see in the photo the form and proportion of the sorsoran is not as I would expect it if the gonjo were to be missing, additionally I have in the past owned a couple of blades that were similar to this one that were gonjo iras, not gonjo hilang.

Before I agree with everybody else, would it be possible to remove the hilt and let us have a look at the pesi, especially that part of the pesi which is close to the gonjo?

[Alam Shah]

It looks's like ganja iras to me too... There seems to be a pejetan, (the depression on the blade where the blade is held between the thumb and the fore-finger), which suggest that there is a (sort of) demarkation of the blade and from the ganja iras...

... more like 'ganja siluman' (term... does not exist)... you can see the ganja from the gandik side after that it fade into the blade, looking at the ganja profile and the pesi as Alan suggest to make it more definite.

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Looks as if everybody is in agreement that the gonjo of this blade is missing.

Please accept my apologies for being a disagreeable old man.

From what I can see in the photo the form and proportion of the sorsoran is not as I would expect it if the gonjo were to be missing, additionally I have in the past owned a couple of blades that were similar to this one that were gonjo iras, not gonjo hilang.

Before I agree with everybody else, would it be possible to remove the hilt and let us have a look at the pesi, especially that part of the pesi which is close to the gonjo?

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

It looks's like ganja iras to me too... There seems to be a pejetan, (the depression on the blade where the blade is held between the thumb and the fore-finger), which suggest that there is a (sort of) demarkation of the blade and from the ganja iras...

... more like 'ganja siluman' (term... does not exist)... you can see the ganja from the gandik side after that it fade into the blade, looking at the ganja profile and the pesi as Alan suggest to make it more definite.

(1) The form of wadidang (the tail) is too short to be an iras type. Please compare to these pictures of five luks with sekar kacang, though not iras type, nor wilut type of ganja. And also the wilut type of 7 luks keris. Pls regard the proportion of the tail and also the gandhik. (2) The form of the wadidang's curve, seems like the end of a tail. (3) Five luks, iras tipe with no greneng? What should you call the dapur then? (4) The dubious one is the "blumbangan" or "pejetan". Is it original? One of the clue answer is here, I think...

Ganjawulung