Another translation request

njo kesasar · 29th December 2009, 12:32 PM

Couldn't find the answer in former translation requests for my inscriptions.
I would very much appreciate if someone is able to translate the 2 inscriptions on a keris I got some time ago.
Please forgive possible errors in this post since English is not my native tongue.
Regards,
Pieter.

njo kesasar · 30th December 2009, 10:18 AM

According to our webmaster the pictures might have been placed up side down, please find them in the proper way now.
Thanks for your help,
Njo

Alam Shah · 30th December 2009, 02:53 PM

Hi njo kesasar,
The image is upside-down.. could you repost the pictures, 180 degrees..

njo kesasar · 30th December 2009, 04:38 PM

Hi Alam,
Done!

Regards,
Njo

rasdan · 31st December 2009, 06:42 AM

Hi Njo,

Looks like a "half" syahadah that is missing some characters to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada

Hartadi · 31st December 2009, 06:56 AM

opss... wrong place to reply.

I think it's Syahadat also, syahadat mean, a statement for become a moslem..

njo kesasar · 1st January 2010, 10:32 AM

Rasdan: link to wikipedia
Hartadia: Syahadah
On purpose I didn't show the keris as a whole because good observers will have noticed no pamor on the blade.
At the time I received the keris I've put him aside, because the looks were very simple and hastily forged, almost forgot I had him.
Brought up with respect for kerisses but unable to read the text I wasn't satisfied at all with myself and for that reason I opened this thread.
Following the link of Rasdan and the remark of Hartadi (thanks to the both of you) I tried to resume my thoughts and please do correct me if I'm wrong:
Historicaly a keris is made for one person (let's forget all about “tourist kerisses”) and belongs to that person only, so far nothing new.
IMHO this keris has been made for initiation purposes and only used at (a muslim)school and to be used at initiation-day by any pupil who became muslim that day and where the keris is used to pay a certain respect (of course I'm not sure the kind of lessons which are followed there).
Not being muslim I do hope I've not offended anyone because that is not my intention, and if I did please do accept my humble apologies.
Back to my translation request: I copied the text of the Syahadah and put two triangles over part of the text. Triangles representing the blade from base to tip.
If I'm right there is indeed missing some text (Rasdan). Any reason for that or is it as it is?
Remarks/comments are very welcome and thanks for now,
wishing all members a PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR!
Njo

Alam Shah · 1st January 2010, 09:08 PM

For the missing text, could be possible that it came off or not properly done in the first place.. imo, the workmanship of the brass-works is lacking. Just last month, during my visit to Java, I've seen a few at a 'pasar keris' (keris market). As for the reason for use, it can be many.. for congregations, depending on the need of the user, group or society and for many other purpose. Your guess is as good as mine..

David · 1st January 2010, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njo kesasar

Historicaly a keris is made for one person (let's forget all about “tourist kerisses”) and belongs to that person only, so far nothing new.
IMHO this keris has been made for initiation purposes and only used at (a muslim)school and to be used at initiation-day by any pupil who became muslim that day and where the keris is used to pay a certain respect (of course I'm not sure the kind of lessons which are followed there).

I am not so sure that we can forget about "tourist keris" because i have a strong feeling that is what this keris is. I don't find much sense in you in initiation suggestion. Keris like these are readily available at markets as Alam Shah has suggested. But if you show us the rest we could well be wrong.

njo kesasar · 2nd January 2010, 12:12 PM

Again a romantic dream shattered, don't they all do in the end?

Much to my regret never been to a pasar keris (wouldn't know where to find them, buy my kerisses at fleemarkets a.s.o.) Well gentlemen, not being an expert I agree with the conclusions of Alam and David. Don't think you are wrong and was expecting the question so here are the looks of the keris...........
If no one has anything to add I would suggest to close this thread.
Many thanks for your conclusions/advise,
Regards njo

29th December 2009, 12:32 PM	#1
njo kesasar Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	Another translation request Couldn't find the answer in former translation requests for my inscriptions. I would very much appreciate if someone is able to translate the 2 inscriptions on a keris I got some time ago. Please forgive possible errors in this post since English is not my native tongue. Regards, Pieter. Attached Images

30th December 2009, 10:18 AM	#2
njo kesasar Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	[B]Up side down?[B] According to our webmaster the pictures might have been placed up side down, please find them in the proper way now. Thanks for your help, Njo Attached Images

1st January 2010, 10:32 AM	#7
njo kesasar Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	Rasdan: link to wikipedia Hartadia: Syahadah On purpose I didn't show the keris as a whole because good observers will have noticed no pamor on the blade. At the time I received the keris I've put him aside, because the looks were very simple and hastily forged, almost forgot I had him. Brought up with respect for kerisses but unable to read the text I wasn't satisfied at all with myself and for that reason I opened this thread. Following the link of Rasdan and the remark of Hartadi (thanks to the both of you) I tried to resume my thoughts and please do correct me if I'm wrong: Historicaly a keris is made for one person (let's forget all about “tourist kerisses”) and belongs to that person only, so far nothing new. IMHO this keris has been made for initiation purposes and only used at (a muslim)school and to be used at initiation-day by any pupil who became muslim that day and where the keris is used to pay a certain respect (of course I'm not sure the kind of lessons which are followed there). Not being muslim I do hope I've not offended anyone because that is not my intention, and if I did please do accept my humble apologies. Back to my translation request: I copied the text of the Syahadah and put two triangles over part of the text. Triangles representing the blade from base to tip. If I'm right there is indeed missing some text (Rasdan). Any reason for that or is it as it is? Remarks/comments are very welcome and thanks for now, wishing all members a PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR! Njo Attached Images

1st January 2010, 09:08 PM	#8
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	For the missing text, could be possible that it came off or not properly done in the first place.. imo, the workmanship of the brass-works is lacking. Just last month, during my visit to Java, I've seen a few at a 'pasar keris' (keris market). As for the reason for use, it can be many.. for congregations, depending on the need of the user, group or society and for many other purpose. Your guess is as good as mine.. Last edited by Alam Shah; 2nd January 2010 at 04:14 AM.

2nd January 2010, 12:12 PM	#10
njo kesasar Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	The end? Again a romantic dream shattered, don't they all do in the end? Much to my regret never been to a pasar keris (wouldn't know where to find them, buy my kerisses at fleemarkets a.s.o.) Well gentlemen, not being an expert I agree with the conclusions of Alam and David. Don't think you are wrong and was expecting the question so here are the looks of the keris........... If no one has anything to add I would suggest to close this thread. Many thanks for your conclusions/advise, Regards njo Attached Images

30th December 2009, 02:53 PM	#3
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi njo kesasar, The image is upside-down.. could you repost the pictures, 180 degrees..

30th December 2009, 04:38 PM	#4
njo kesasar Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	Hi Alam, Done! Regards, Njo

31st December 2009, 06:42 AM	#5
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	Hi Njo, Looks like a "half" syahadah that is missing some characters to me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada

31st December 2009, 06:56 AM	#6
Hartadi Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 56	opss... wrong place to reply. I think it's Syahadat also, syahadat mean, a statement for become a moslem..