Please help me with this recycled Shamshir

ASPaulding · 1st September 2021, 06:23 PM

Could anybody please help me figure out what type of blade this is. I was told it's an older western cavelry blade, probably Russian or British. I was told the gaurd was made in 17th to 19th century. So maybe the blade is around the same age. The handle is some type of bone and the scabbord leather. There is a small mark on the top of the blade buts it rusted over and some gold mark at the end of the scabbord. I can't make any of them out. Thank you for any help you could give.

Ian · 2nd September 2021, 03:04 AM

ASPaulding,

Welcome to the Forum!

Your sword does seem to be a mix of different cultures. The hilt reminds me of the eagle head style found on some Polish karabela sabers. This is far from my area of expertise, but you might want to look at this recent thread to get an idea of the variety found in karabela sabers. These sabers often had a mix of ethnic elements, including Eastern/Islamic components.

Others here may have a completely different take on your sword.

Regards,

Ian.

ASPaulding · 2nd September 2021, 05:21 AM

Thank you, I'm glad to be part of this forum. The hilt does look very similar to Polish karabela. I also thought it looked close to a kilij as well.

Kubur · 2nd September 2021, 11:36 AM

Hi

Your hilt and your guard are Persian.
It is true that the pommel has a karabela style.
This kind of hilt/pommel is very often connect to the Zand period.
It is clear that this Iranian sword was influenced by Ottoman culture.
The scabbard and the blade look Europeans, but I'm not sure about the blade.

ASPaulding · 2nd September 2021, 01:43 PM

I thought maybe the blade looks similar to the 1796 light cavalry sabre.

awdaniec666 · 8th September 2021, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi

Your hilt and your guard are Persian.
It is true that the pommel has a karabela style.
This kind of hilt/pommel is very often connect to the Zand period.
It is clear that this Iranian sword was influenced by Ottoman culture.
The scabbard and the blade look Europeans, but I'm not sure about the blade.

I totally agree with all of that. The blade could be of a M1796 British cavalry saber.
Shoutout to Ian redirecting to my Karabela guide!

1st September 2021, 06:23 PM	#1
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 84	Please help me with this recycled Shamshir Could anybody please help me figure out what type of blade this is. I was told it's an older western cavelry blade, probably Russian or British. I was told the gaurd was made in 17th to 19th century. So maybe the blade is around the same age. The handle is some type of bone and the scabbord leather. There is a small mark on the top of the blade buts it rusted over and some gold mark at the end of the scabbord. I can't make any of them out. Thank you for any help you could give. Attached Images

2nd September 2021, 03:04 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,198	ASPaulding, Welcome to the Forum! Your sword does seem to be a mix of different cultures. The hilt reminds me of the eagle head style found on some Polish karabela sabers. This is far from my area of expertise, but you might want to look at this recent thread to get an idea of the variety found in karabela sabers. These sabers often had a mix of ethnic elements, including Eastern/Islamic components. Others here may have a completely different take on your sword. Regards, Ian.

2nd September 2021, 05:21 AM	#3
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 84	Thank you, I'm glad to be part of this forum. The hilt does look very similar to Polish karabela. I also thought it looked close to a kilij as well.

2nd September 2021, 11:36 AM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Your hilt and your guard are Persian. It is true that the pommel has a karabela style. This kind of hilt/pommel is very often connect to the Zand period. It is clear that this Iranian sword was influenced by Ottoman culture. The scabbard and the blade look Europeans, but I'm not sure about the blade.

2nd September 2021, 01:43 PM	#5
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 84	I thought maybe the blade looks similar to the 1796 light cavalry sabre.