25th February 2023, 03:50 PM | #1 |
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Luzon Kris, just like Robert's
I just acquired this Philippine sword and I was searching the Forum to see if there were any similar examples, and to my surprise, I came upon a Feb.2005 Post by Robert that showed the almost exact weapon. I had to look at it very closely to make sure that wasn't the same piece as it is not uncommon to see some of our pieces traded and sold into the collections of Forum members. His piece was 28" long and mine was approx. 25.5" in length.
This is exciting to me as either the pieces were made by the same smith and/or this style of sword could have been a standard pattern issued to some local Philippine militia. I will now be looking for my third example. |
25th February 2023, 04:20 PM | #2 |
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Nice sword. I'm still not too keen on calling them kris though.
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25th February 2023, 04:30 PM | #3 |
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Thanks. I agree; I chose the non-technically correct label as it was more easily recognizable to a greater amount of people and I didn't know what else to name it.
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25th February 2023, 04:53 PM | #4 |
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Very nice sword, congrats! Do you have the link to Roberts example?
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25th February 2023, 05:41 PM | #5 |
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Thanks. If you do a search in the Forum under Luzon Sword, on the second pg., you will see Robert's post "Old Luzon Kris," post #4 will be my twin brother's sword. This post was dated Aug. 2012.
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Yes, the piece is very similar! |
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25th February 2023, 07:01 PM | #9 |
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Thanks, guys for doing what I should have done!
Any Idea what the "6," "9," or squiggly mark is or means? |
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Apologies for the rant - I keep hearing such assumptions but hardly ever see any evidence like specific tool marks, brush strokes (paintings) or other stylistic features of the actual work by artisans. Regards, Kai |
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26th February 2023, 02:31 AM | #11 |
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Nice turn of the century example. It looks like it's from lower Luzon, perhaps Pampangan or Tagalog.
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26th February 2023, 03:21 PM | #12 |
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Kai, I understand and endorse your belief that too many people take free reign in ascribing certain unrelated attributes in regards to weapons; my personal peeve is that numerous Philippine knives and swords, especially with guards are listed as "Civil War Confederate."
This instance of 2 swords being almost symmetrical, appeared to me to be an exception. If we saw a US M-1832 Artillery Sword, we would recognize the pattern and acknowledge it as such, without controversy; why can we not assume that some armory in the Philippines was capable of such an endeavor when presented with such examples? We can at least ask the question. I am warning you that I am actively seeking a third example, lol. Honestly, no disrespect, as I admire the knowledge that you have demonstrated in your posts. Thanks for the information Battara. |
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26th February 2023, 07:06 PM | #14 |
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If Robert is willing, I certainly am.
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Robert has many private issues in the moment and his last visit here is long ago but I've found another thread where he has shown his sword, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...41&postcount=1
Given measurements: 27 3/16" overall, 21 1/2" blade. Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 27th February 2023 at 06:10 PM. Reason: Add measurements |
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As per request. The handle measures 4 & 1/8" inches long and the guard 3.5" across.
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27th February 2023, 06:25 PM | #17 |
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I would agree, it's the same workshop and the marking on the ricasso stay maybe for the blade length?
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27th February 2023, 06:34 PM | #18 |
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The overall length of mine is approx. 25.5".
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1st March 2023, 10:58 PM | #19 |
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These are interesting weapons. I have a nice silver dressed one here somewhere... will see if I can find it to post.
This exceptional example passed recently. Certainly the property of a man of standing. |
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2nd March 2023, 08:22 PM | #21 |
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Not sure i would consider this in the same category Gavin. Looks more like a dagger than a sword, with a much thinner profile. What was is the length of the one?
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2nd March 2023, 08:50 PM | #22 |
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16 inches if I recall?
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3rd March 2023, 02:38 PM | #23 |
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Hello David,
actually it's ok to call it a kris. during the Philippine Revolution, one of the main theme was going back to the pre-Hispanic days. with that in mind, the Northern Filipinos really looked up to their southern brethrens since the Moros were never subjugated by the Spaniards. that includes copying a facsimile of their weapons, hence the kris style blades. of note as well, is the spanish term for gunong: kris de punyal Gavin: i got beaten up on that particular piece, and some others, lol. worst one was the kris that went for *****! Last edited by Rick; 5th March 2023 at 07:13 PM. |
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And Gavin, yeah, i'd call that example you posted a dagger rather than a sword. A very nice one at that! |
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Your post is so on point… Gavin, you and I were literally killing each other… Gavin got that Kris… lol… but I got to see it in person yesterday and the hilt is solid cast metal… non-tarnished heavy… definitely not brass… so it could very well be worth the price… I obviously thought so😢😢😢 Last edited by Rick; 5th March 2023 at 07:16 PM. |
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I'm pretty easy to get along with, if you've seen it, I've likely seen it, I'll often stand aside for others, as some members here know....and I'll say if it is something I have to have... a little give and take balance... I'm grateful it was in your backyard and you got there first hand on the day. Gav |
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SanibelSwaasa, the auction was so obscure, i thought i had a monopoly on it, lol. except for the bolo with horn scabbard and gold kris (congrats on you two!), i'm happy with what got |
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4th March 2023, 11:23 PM | #29 |
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the other I mentioned with silver collars...
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