Chinese Imperial Two Handed Dao

Bill M · 16th January 2019, 12:59 PM

Dao - Mine - Fake - What makes it fake? What would someone think it was authentic?

A friend paid a huge price for "Imperial Two Handed Dao". He brought it to me. I quietly let him hold and view one of my authentic dao. (see the last picture with the green scabbard)

He immediately realized his was fake. The online dealer refused return it. He left it with me because he was so disgusted.

Where it is "wrong?"

mariusgmioc · 16th January 2019, 02:05 PM

A big question mark is the blade.
Low carbon (almost iron) pattern welded that can hardly be even sharpened, not to mention holding an edge?!
Sharkskin/whatever grip so that it can easily slip and rotate in the hand!? Moreover, no signs of wear on the grip that is perfectly matching the scabbard!?

My two cents.

PS: Why don't you show us the blade of yours?

Kubur · 16th January 2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Sharkskin/whatever grip so that it can easily slip and rotate in the hand!?

NOOOO!
Shagreen is excellent as grip for a hilt, to maintain the sword, not to slip!
Many dao have shagreen (mine has)
Shagreen (ray or shark) was used all over the world, including Europe.

David R · 16th January 2019, 06:08 PM

I would ask which online market he bought from? They tend to protect the buyer, even at the expense of the vendor.

kronckew · 16th January 2019, 06:30 PM

Polished rayskin is OK for scabbards, it's fairly slick for a grip, the bumpy unpolished is better. Do older ones have large Chinese characters? None of mine does, but I only have a few. The blade just doesn't seem right somehow.

mariusgmioc · 16th January 2019, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

Polished rayskin is OK for scabbards, it's fairly slick for a grip, the bumpy unpolished is better.

Exactly!

All European and Japanese swords I have with rayskin hilts are unpolished.

I have seen polished rayskin grips on some Chinese swords but I have serious doubts about them.

Genuine antique Chinese fighting swords had generally wrapped textile grips.

Kubur · 16th January 2019, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

Polished rayskin is OK for scabbards, it's fairly slick for a grip, the bumpy unpolished is better.

I agree fuly.

Kubur · 16th January 2019, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

I have seen polished rayskin grips on some Chinese swords but I have serious doubts about them.

I agree with you on that one
look at this one I have some serious doubts

Kubur · 16th January 2019, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Genuine antique Chinese fighting swords had generally wrapped textile grips.

I disagree or let's say not always.
Look at this one, this is a model well known and prsent in many museums...
around 1900.

mariusgmioc · 16th January 2019, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

I agree with you on that one
look at this one I have some serious doubts

Fake, decorative sword "antiquated." Square grip almost identical with scabbard. No traces of handling.

mariusgmioc · 16th January 2019, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

I disagree or let's say not always.
Look at this one, this is a model well known and prsent in many museums...
around 1900.

Entirely diferent story! Yet, I suspect the grip is a later replacement but still atique.

kronckew · 16th January 2019, 09:40 PM

My mid 19c Imperial era Dao: Probably from a Warlord's troops.

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Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Chinese Imperial Two Handed Dao Dao - Mine - Fake - What makes it fake? What would someone think it was authentic? A friend paid a huge price for "Imperial Two Handed Dao". He brought it to me. I quietly let him hold and view one of my authentic dao. (see the last picture with the green scabbard) He immediately realized his was fake. The online dealer refused return it. He left it with me because he was so disgusted. Where it is "wrong?" Attached Images

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mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	A big question mark is the blade. Low carbon (almost iron) pattern welded that can hardly be even sharpened, not to mention holding an edge?! Sharkskin/whatever grip so that it can easily slip and rotate in the hand!? Moreover, no signs of wear on the grip that is perfectly matching the scabbard!? My two cents. PS: Why don't you show us the blade of yours? Last edited by mariusgmioc; 16th January 2019 at 02:20 PM.

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	My mid 19c Imperial era Dao: Probably from a Warlord's troops. Attached Images

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David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,079	I would ask which online market he bought from? They tend to protect the buyer, even at the expense of the vendor.

16th January 2019, 06:30 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	Polished rayskin is OK for scabbards, it's fairly slick for a grip, the bumpy unpolished is better. Do older ones have large Chinese characters? None of mine does, but I only have a few. The blade just doesn't seem right somehow.