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can you tell me something about the stamps and inscription?
I found the same sword in this book. Last edited by Merenti; 19th February 2022 at 06:29 PM. |
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Excelent sword, Merenti. May i ask; is this in your collection ?
Let us see if any of the members is able to decipher those inscriptions. |
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The leather wrap seems new and is a fairly poor display replacement, if the whole sword is all original. The leather wrap can be nicly replaced giving it the look your sword might deserve.
I belive the markings are Swiss, as found in your literaure. I have seen same or very similar markings on other Swiss blades. Reference: Old Galerie Fischer arms and armour auction catalouges. |
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Indeed the marking are Swiss or German wich fits this type of sword, it seems like it is the actual sword in the book, or is it a similar one ?
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it is a similar sword not the same. I suppose it could be from a guard |
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I noticed that the 11/2 sword was auctioned this February 18 in Heidelberg as a ( probably) 18/19th century Victorian piece. The other sword in this auction a rapier, 19th century in the style of 50 years later around 1600, had a similar design of big characters in the fuller and similar engraved square dotted lines, as made in the same workshop?!
this made me a bit unsure about the authenticity of both pieces. Assuming Hugo Schneider Griffwaffern1 knows very well the difference between an original and a 19thc piece along with the following fact; it seems that the same punch has been used for both 1 1/2 hand swords. (or is the mark in sword of post 1 engraved?) does give a better perspective. |
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On the blade of the hand and a half sword there is no doubt at all in my mind that its 16th century. The guard appears to be good too.
But I'm wondering if these two pieces were treated with a tin like substance to protect them a long time ago, it gives both an awkward color - look. On the rapier presented by Cornelis I have nog doubt at all that both the guard and blade are around 1600. Blades coming from the same workshop, it certainly looks that way and the lettertype used in the fullers was common for the period. |
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I had the rapier and sword in hand before. The sword is original to me, but the rapier I think is put together. The images of the sword and rapier are horrifying. In reality, the sword looks great.
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The only thing replaced on the rapier is the pommel cap.
One could debate if this is a rapier or a sword, In Italy they used larger blades in they'r rapier guards more often. |
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In these last photos the rapier looks much much better in any case, as far as the 1 1/2 hander is concerned, it is interesting to know whether the crosses are engraved or debossed/punched.
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Yes, I agree that sometimes the distinction between rapier or riding-sword (Reitschwert / spada da cavallo) can get blurry. Riding-swords used the same style hilts (Oakeshott explains this in his European Weapons and Armour...) but their blades were wider to be useful for both cut and thrust. There were many different systems for fighting with rapiers, some did feature more cutting techniques whereas others were more thrust-focused. In fact, in Italian arms terminology there is sometimes used the word striscia for a weapon of rapier configuration but whose very narrow blade was for point work only.
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