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Hi,
I just bought these daggers. Three of them are Maroccan Koummya and one I guess is Yemen? Janbiya. Can anybody shed some light on the age and if they are merely tourist grade daggers? Obviously the condition is pretty bad. Thanks |
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The Koummya in the middle seems to be the oldest, maybe it is antique. It has also some authentic signs of wear. The other two are touristic pieces, eventually 1970s or later. The Jambiya looks indian or pakistani to me and is not that old, too.
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The koumyya's are from the Maghreb in North Africa, that is Morocco into Algeria, and technically are a form of khanjhar.
The right item is termed khanjahr in the regions in eastern Yemen into Oman and northeast to Bahrain. This, as noted, not that old and seems Omani, though not following the typical styling too much. The term janbiyya is used for the daggers to the west from Yemen into the Hijaz, and there are regional dfferences. Koummya tend not to be very old as they have been produced n huge volume as souvenirs. Even the middle one may have antiquty into the 20s at best. Very specialized area of collecting and look forward to observations by the guys here most knwledgeable n them. |
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Thanks for your help!
It is always nice to learn something new from more experienced collectors. |
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I have owned a few of the souvenir Koummya over the years, and rather liked them though disappointed in the blades. In fact I bought a relatively new one recently via this forum, which I am very happy with.
The old style real weapons do turn up from time to time, the difference being a forged blade, rather than one filed out of flat stock. This is the one I bought about 15 years ago at an open air antique (and junk) fair. |
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And one with a 30cm ruler for scale.
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To me, all three Koummyas look rather low end touristy 20th century.
More about Koummyas you can find at the link below: http://vikingsword.com/ethsword/koummya/index.html The Jambiya does not appear to be ethnographically specific/traditional and it is definitely not Omani or Yemeni, in my opinion. The workmanship doesn't appear to be neither Indian or Pakistani but more like African. ![]() Last edited by mariusgmioc; 16th March 2021 at 04:49 PM. |
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The one in the middle is definitely old/antique, have a look to the holes where the rings let the traces of long time use. ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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The scabbard is from the 19th and the dagger from the mid or late 20th c like the others. |
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You should buy the scabbard from Asomer, it will be perfect for it. ![]() |
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Jambiya handle inlaid elements are made in Indian style.
They are a bit primitive, but I agree with Gonzoadler. Pakistan is likely. Mariusgmioc, I really like your Koummya in the neighboring topic Congratulations) |
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I somehow overlooked the scabbards. Indeed, the scabbard of the middle one has some significant wear but that doesn't necessarily make it old. The metal of the scabbard is brass and tin alloy, which are soft metals, and if it was mounted on steel rings one may get this wear after a few months of wearing. Anyhow, the blade appears to be flat, cut & filed from sheet/band stock. ![]() |
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I guess the scabbard is from brass and silver, such a wear don't come from a few month of wearing and I am with Kubur that the scabbard is 19th century but you and Kubur could by correct by the blade. But I would like to see better pictures. ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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Asomer, can you please put the dagger from the left side in the scabbard in the middle? I have the feeling that there is a missmatch... ![]() |
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Often tin alloys are very difficult to distinguish from silver even at close inspection. Very often it is impossible to say for sure that it is silver based only on a low quality photo.
However, there are very clear signs (see photo) we are not talking about sheet silver, but about tin alloy (more precisely solder) applied crudely in molten state directly on the brass scabbard. And what appears to be surface wear is in fact the result of the poorly reproduced shapes of the brass below and subsequent abrasive cleaning. But maybe ASomer can tell us more precisely what it is? Last edited by mariusgmioc; 17th March 2021 at 09:17 AM. |
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Hi Marius,
You have very good eyes, it was badly restored with lead. But I guarantee you that this type of koummya have a silver sheat on one side. ![]() |
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I am also sure that it is silver plated on one side!
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Hi thanks for all the interesting insights.
To be honest I have no idea what it is, I guess it could be silver plated brass. I am attaching some more photos of the back side and the blade. |
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