Spear, how old and where from?

Ninja · 9th January 2005, 10:20 AM

Hello
My name is Goran, 34 years old and i live in Sweden, Borlange and im new at this forum.
Hope somone can help me to identify this spear.
http://samlarforum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?t=2634

Length from point to end of fasten 48,5 cm
Shaft is 35mm thick
Widht on blade ca 37mm
Lenght on blade ca 90mm
The knobb behind the blade has 6 rounded edges.

Henk · 9th January 2005, 03:47 PM

Hello Goran,

Welcome to the forum.
It is very hard to tell something about this spear with these two pictures. Some better close ups and a complete picture of the whole spear might help to wake up some of the other members.

Ninja · 9th January 2005, 03:59 PM

Thankyou
Better pictures is coming soon...
Sad to say, the "pole" is cut off. now its only 67 cm long...
It has ben imported from Kina, but it hasent the orientel feeling.

Battara · 9th January 2005, 08:20 PM

I may be wrong, but they seem to have a more Euro-American feel to them.

Jim McDougall · 10th January 2005, 01:28 AM

Hello Goran,
Welcome to the forum...vad trevligt att traffas!!!!
I agree that this does appear to be European. This shaft weapon appears to be a pike, although I have yet to find a corresponding head shape to this one. Are there attaching langets along the shaft to secure socket?
The collar between the socket and blade seems to suggest possibly a Swiss pike, however these early examples seem to have favored a leaf shape blade.
The smaller, triangular head suggests a pike rather than spontoons which usually had larger leaf shape heads to more flamboyant profiled shapes.

If there are slightly raised fixtures along the langets (if present) this could also possibly be a lance.

Without the shaft it is hard to tell whether this might have been an infantry pike or a boarding pike, which were of course much shorter. It seems quite old, nicely aged and looks like a great example.

Very best regards,
Jim

Ninja · 12th January 2005, 08:36 PM

Aha, lite svenska... hej

I hope these pictures can be to some help. Yes there is fairly long langets (28 cm) to attach the shaft.
It have been sugested its a "bannerspear" (dont now the english word)
Shaft has two plugs 40 cm apart, perhaps there has been hooks there.
Plug can be seen on last picture.

Ninja · 12th January 2005, 08:41 PM

sorry, did a mistake here...

Battara · 12th January 2005, 09:40 PM

That's ok, as long as you clean it off the carpet, we'll be fine.

Andrew · 13th January 2005, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja

Aha, lite svenska... hej

I hope these pictures can be to some help. Yes there is fairly long langets (28 cm) to attach the shaft.
It have been sugested its a "bannerspear" (dont now the english word)
Shaft has two plugs 40 cm apart, perhaps there has been hooks there.
Plug can be seen on last picture.

Interesting. Perhaps this is indeed a parade "spear" for mounting colors or a flag? The spiked butt end for embedding in the ground.

Henk · 13th January 2005, 06:46 PM

The way the spear is mounted on the shaft looks european to me either. A spear for a banner is a good possibility, but it could be a plain spear as well. The blade is rather small, maybe to cut better through armor???

Matchlock · 4th June 2012, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Hello Goran,
Welcome to the forum...vad trevligt att traffas!!!!
I agree that this does appear to be European. This shaft weapon appears to be a pike, although I have yet to find a corresponding head shape to this one. Are there attaching langets along the shaft to secure socket?
The collar between the socket and blade seems to suggest possibly a Swiss pike, however these early examples seem to have favored a leaf shape blade.
The smaller, triangular head suggests a pike rather than spontoons which usually had larger leaf shape heads to more flamboyant profiled shapes.

If there are slightly raised fixtures along the langets (if present) this could also possibly be a lance.

Without the shaft it is hard to tell whether this might have been an infantry pike or a boarding pike, which were of course much shorter. It seems quite old, nicely aged and looks like a great example.

Very best regards,
Jim

Hi Jim and Goran,

It was only today that I found this older thread.

Jim, you are right of course and Goran's item should be addressed as a late-16th c. North Italian or probably Austrian pike.

The haft would originally have measured ca. 4,50 - 5 m in length.

For more on European pikes please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=pikes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_%28weapon%29

Best,
Michael

9th January 2005, 10:20 AM	#1
Ninja Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	Spear, how old and where from? Hello My name is Goran, 34 years old and i live in Sweden, Borlange and im new at this forum. Hope somone can help me to identify this spear. http://samlarforum.skalman.nu/viewtopic.php?t=2634 Length from point to end of fasten 48,5 cm Shaft is 35mm thick Widht on blade ca 37mm Lenght on blade ca 90mm The knobb behind the blade has 6 rounded edges.

12th January 2005, 08:36 PM	#6
Ninja Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	New pictures Aha, lite svenska... hej I hope these pictures can be to some help. Yes there is fairly long langets (28 cm) to attach the shaft. It have been sugested its a "bannerspear" (dont now the english word) Shaft has two plugs 40 cm apart, perhaps there has been hooks there. Plug can be seen on last picture. Attached Images

9th January 2005, 03:47 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Hello Goran, Welcome to the forum. It is very hard to tell something about this spear with these two pictures. Some better close ups and a complete picture of the whole spear might help to wake up some of the other members.

9th January 2005, 03:59 PM	#3
Ninja Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	Thankyou Better pictures is coming soon... Sad to say, the "pole" is cut off. now its only 67 cm long... It has ben imported from Kina, but it hasent the orientel feeling.

9th January 2005, 08:20 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I may be wrong, but they seem to have a more Euro-American feel to them.

10th January 2005, 01:28 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,945	Hello Goran, Welcome to the forum...vad trevligt att traffas!!!! I agree that this does appear to be European. This shaft weapon appears to be a pike, although I have yet to find a corresponding head shape to this one. Are there attaching langets along the shaft to secure socket? The collar between the socket and blade seems to suggest possibly a Swiss pike, however these early examples seem to have favored a leaf shape blade. The smaller, triangular head suggests a pike rather than spontoons which usually had larger leaf shape heads to more flamboyant profiled shapes. If there are slightly raised fixtures along the langets (if present) this could also possibly be a lance. Without the shaft it is hard to tell whether this might have been an infantry pike or a boarding pike, which were of course much shorter. It seems quite old, nicely aged and looks like a great example. Very best regards, Jim

12th January 2005, 08:41 PM	#7
Ninja Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	sorry, did a mistake here...

12th January 2005, 09:40 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	That's ok, as long as you clean it off the carpet, we'll be fine.

13th January 2005, 06:46 PM	#10
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	The way the spear is mounted on the shaft looks european to me either. A spear for a banner is a good possibility, but it could be a plain spear as well. The blade is rather small, maybe to cut better through armor???