Aceh warriors

KraVseR · 3rd October 2013, 03:05 PM

Hello! What weapons used by aceh warriors in XIX - XX centuries?

CharlesS · 3rd October 2013, 04:43 PM

Hi KraVseR,

I think if you will use the Search icon above and use just the word "Aceh" you will get a good number of old threads regarding Aceh edged weapons.

KraVseR · 3rd October 2013, 04:47 PM

OK, and what about firearms?

asomotif · 3rd October 2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KraVseR

OK, and what about firearms?

Hello Kravser,

Indeed, using the search mode on "Aceh "and/or "Atjeh" will give you a lot to see and read.

Please also check out the dutch website of our own forumite "JONNO" ;

http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjeh_wa...eh_wapens.html

And just for the fun I am adding pictures of :
1. A happy bunch of armed warriors from Aceh, and
2. A display of weapons used in the Ache war from our former army museum in Delft.

Best regards,
Willem

kronckew · 3rd October 2013, 10:56 PM

some interesting comments on aceh weapons then and now by a local HERE

last post includes a link to a slideshow of aceh weapons and smiths.

KraVseR · 4th October 2013, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

some interesting comments on aceh weapons then and now by a local HERE

last post includes a link to a slideshow of aceh weapons and smiths.

Thanks all.
When I click on image in last post, I see "This album is Password-Protected.".

And could you share photos of Acehnese warriors? Here are depicted they?

KraVseR · 4th October 2013, 01:16 PM

And what weapons used by the Acehnese warriors in XV - XIX centuries? The same? Maybe they had something turkish?

kronckew · 5th October 2013, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KraVseR

Thanks all.
When I click on image in last post, I see "This album is Password-Protected.".

And could you share photos of Acehnese warriors? Here are depicted they?

should be OK now....

Maurice · 5th October 2013, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KraVseR

Thanks all.
When I click on image in last post, I see "This album is Password-Protected.".

And could you share photos of Acehnese warriors? Here are depicted they?

These are warriors from the Gayo district!

KraVseR · 5th October 2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

should be OK now....

No...

KraVseR · 5th October 2013, 08:05 PM

Another question: can fighters of Free Aceh Movement use the renchong and other aceh weapons?

KraVseR · 5th October 2013, 08:46 PM

How is called the Aceh sword? Peudeung or pedang?

David · 5th October 2013, 11:43 PM

Gentleman, might i make the suggestion that instead of referring to slide shows on PhotoBucket or other picture hosting servers that we make a concerted effort to post images on these pages. I realize this isn't as easy as simply providing a link, but a week, a month, a year or more down the line when your slide show is no longer on that server your link will be useless and any discussion that was generated around it will be meaningless to our members who have searched our archives for this thread for further info. Our hope is to build an archive of images for such further research. Your cooperation in that effort is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Battara · 6th October 2013, 12:45 AM

Here, here, David!

VANDOO · 6th October 2013, 01:57 AM

YES WE HAVE BEEN THRU SEVERAL PERIODS WHEN SERVERS WENT AWAY WHICH HAS PROVIDED MANY DISCUSSIONS WHICH NO LONGER MAKE SENSE IN THE ARCHIVES AS ALL THATS LEFT OF PICTURES AND INFORMATION IS THE DEADLY RED X.
THE CURRENT FORUM SYSTEM FOR POSTING PICTURES HAS WORKED VERY WELL FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW SO HOPEFULLY THAT PROBLEM IS SOLVED.

kronckew · 6th October 2013, 06:37 AM

OK. (i set the album to public, but here are the photos may be some duplicates from slideshow)

kronckew · 6th October 2013, 06:39 AM

more

kronckew · 6th October 2013, 06:42 AM

some more

KraVseR · 6th October 2013, 09:28 AM

Thanks for the photos.
The questions remain open.

asomotif · 7th October 2013, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KraVseR

How is called the Aceh sword? Peudeung or pedang?

Peudeung, or also peudeueng is the curved sword with the baskethilt.
Try the search function on this one.
Several high end examples have been posted or discussed in the past.

Battara · 8th October 2013, 12:19 AM

I just love all that gold work!

CharlesS · 8th October 2013, 01:07 AM

Great old photos, which I love. Also amazing pieces presented.

KraVseR · 8th October 2013, 03:36 PM

Thank you. And what about Free Aceh Movement? Could they use this cold weapon?
Can you help with the transcription of the word "Peudeung"? [pedeng]?

asomotif · 11th October 2013, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KraVseR

Thank you. And what about Free Aceh Movement? Could they use this cold weapon?
Can you help with the transcription of the word "Peudeung"? [pedeng]?

1.: Free Aceh Movement. I guess they will use automatic assault rifles...

2. try google, I easily found this translation.

" In a correspondence with Dominique Buttin, he informed the that, "The name Peudeung means sword, which is the same meaning as Podang from the Batak or Pedang from the Javanese. "

KraVseR · 12th October 2013, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

1.: Free Aceh Movement. I guess they will use automatic assault rifles...

2. try google, I easily found this translation.

" In a correspondence with Dominique Buttin, he informed the that, "The name Peudeung means sword, which is the same meaning as Podang from the Batak or Pedang from the Javanese. "

Yes, guns - it's obvious. But apart from that they also have some cold weapons?

I'm sorry, I can not find anything. Can be pronounced, and "pedang" and "podang", and "pedeng", right?

kronckew · 12th October 2013, 12:11 PM

the word in western letters is an approximation of the local pronunciation, thus the multiple spellings for essentially the same word spoken in different local dialects by the native users. transliteration of words into characters not designed for the original language results in a lot of variations which are essentially the same. english speakers hear 'pedang' while a dutch speaker may hear 'peudeung' and the native speaker may not recognise either, even if he knows english or dutch...

even english has vowel drift from england to australia, india, australia, nz, etc.. with a's drifting to e's or i's over time. we understand aussies but their vowels come out funny. pronunciation in england can vary in two places just a few miles apart. it's a wonder anyone understands anyone else.

KraVseR · 12th October 2013, 05:26 PM

Thanks.

RhysMichael · 12th October 2013, 06:00 PM

I put this together years ago with the help of those here and it may be of some use in this discussion

http://home.comcast.net/~JTCrosby/Th...n07_update.pdf

KraVseR · 12th October 2013, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhysMichael

I put this together years ago with the help of those here and it may be of some use in this discussion

http://home.comcast.net/~JTCrosby/Th...n07_update.pdf

Thank you, I've found this file.

kronckew · 12th October 2013, 07:08 PM

that reminded me of the other edged weapon used in aceh - by the dutch - their traditional european blades proved too long and cumbersome for the rain forests, so the general designed a shorter cutlass to equip his men with. originally made in solingen, they were made all the way up to ww2 in hembrug and the USA (milsco) copied them exactly. known as the dutch klewang: {mine attached} also discussed ad nauseum here in various threads

3rd October 2013, 03:05 PM	#1
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Aceh warriors Hello! What weapons used by aceh warriors in XIX - XX centuries?

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	OK. (i set the album to public, but here are the photos may be some duplicates from slideshow) Attached Images

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	more Attached Images

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	some more Attached Images

12th October 2013, 07:08 PM	#30
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	that reminded me of the other edged weapon used in aceh - by the dutch - their traditional european blades proved too long and cumbersome for the rain forests, so the general designed a shorter cutlass to equip his men with. originally made in solingen, they were made all the way up to ww2 in hembrug and the USA (milsco) copied them exactly. known as the dutch klewang: {mine attached} also discussed ad nauseum here in various threads Attached Images

3rd October 2013, 04:43 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Hi KraVseR, I think if you will use the Search icon above and use just the word "Aceh" you will get a good number of old threads regarding Aceh edged weapons.

3rd October 2013, 04:47 PM	#3
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	OK, and what about firearms?

3rd October 2013, 10:56 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	some interesting comments on aceh weapons then and now by a local HERE last post includes a link to a slideshow of aceh weapons and smiths.

4th October 2013, 01:16 PM	#7
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	And what weapons used by the Acehnese warriors in XV - XIX centuries? The same? Maybe they had something turkish?

5th October 2013, 08:05 PM	#11
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Another question: can fighters of Free Aceh Movement use the renchong and other aceh weapons?

5th October 2013, 08:46 PM	#12
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	How is called the Aceh sword? Peudeung or pedang?

5th October 2013, 11:43 PM	#13
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Gentleman, might i make the suggestion that instead of referring to slide shows on PhotoBucket or other picture hosting servers that we make a concerted effort to post images on these pages. I realize this isn't as easy as simply providing a link, but a week, a month, a year or more down the line when your slide show is no longer on that server your link will be useless and any discussion that was generated around it will be meaningless to our members who have searched our archives for this thread for further info. Our hope is to build an archive of images for such further research. Your cooperation in that effort is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

6th October 2013, 12:45 AM	#14
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Here, here, David!

6th October 2013, 01:57 AM	#15
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	YES WE HAVE BEEN THRU SEVERAL PERIODS WHEN SERVERS WENT AWAY WHICH HAS PROVIDED MANY DISCUSSIONS WHICH NO LONGER MAKE SENSE IN THE ARCHIVES AS ALL THATS LEFT OF PICTURES AND INFORMATION IS THE DEADLY RED X. THE CURRENT FORUM SYSTEM FOR POSTING PICTURES HAS WORKED VERY WELL FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW SO HOPEFULLY THAT PROBLEM IS SOLVED.

6th October 2013, 09:28 AM	#19
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Thanks for the photos. The questions remain open.

8th October 2013, 12:19 AM	#21
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	I just love all that gold work!

8th October 2013, 01:07 AM	#22
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Great old photos, which I love. Also amazing pieces presented.

8th October 2013, 03:36 PM	#23
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Thank you. And what about Free Aceh Movement? Could they use this cold weapon? Can you help with the transcription of the word "Peudeung"? [pedeng]?

12th October 2013, 12:11 PM	#26
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	the word in western letters is an approximation of the local pronunciation, thus the multiple spellings for essentially the same word spoken in different local dialects by the native users. transliteration of words into characters not designed for the original language results in a lot of variations which are essentially the same. english speakers hear 'pedang' while a dutch speaker may hear 'peudeung' and the native speaker may not recognise either, even if he knows english or dutch... even english has vowel drift from england to australia, india, australia, nz, etc.. with a's drifting to e's or i's over time. we understand aussies but their vowels come out funny. pronunciation in england can vary in two places just a few miles apart. it's a wonder anyone understands anyone else.

12th October 2013, 05:26 PM	#27
KraVseR Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Ukraine Posts: 128	Thanks.

12th October 2013, 06:00 PM	#28
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	I put this together years ago with the help of those here and it may be of some use in this discussion http://home.comcast.net/~JTCrosby/Th...n07_update.pdf