"Ancient" Ottoman (?) Ramrod : Age ?

castellum aquilonis · 14th August 2015, 06:07 PM

I have this also for quite some time and thought it looked like a tool to remove bullets "out off" a person ;-)
Does anybody have an idea, how old it could be.
31cm

Ian · 14th August 2015, 07:11 PM

Oops--no attachment with this one! OK, now we do.

kahnjar1 · 14th August 2015, 09:20 PM

Just a guess....I do not think this is a ramrod. As you suggest it looks like something to remove "foreign matter" from ones body. An old medical instrument maybe? I am assuming that the prongs are metal?
What is the purpose of the threaded piece in the middle? Does it, or did it, screw into the other piece?
If this IS a piece of medical kit it would be getting up to 200 years old IMHO.
Stu

castellum aquilonis · 14th August 2015, 09:30 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=ramrod

stelio · 14th August 2015, 10:26 PM

Its a ottoman ramrod ,made in end of 18th century. I think it has lost half case and has go out the tweezer.
Stelios

ward · 14th August 2015, 10:52 PM

look up suma you will find enough complete ones to identify

kahnjar1 · 15th August 2015, 07:27 AM

Not sure I understand the comments above.
If this is a ramrod missing it's end, then what is the purpose of the "tweezer"?
Same question...if it is a ramrod, why is there a thread in the middle of what is left? Surely if it is the end which is missing, then the thread would be there and not in the middle?
These are not a familiar item to me, so I am asking to learn about something new.
Stu

stelio · 15th August 2015, 01:21 PM

Not sure I understand the comments above.
If this is a ramrod missing it's end, then what is the purpose of the "tweezer"?
Same question...if it is a ramrod, why is there a thread in the middle of what is left? Surely if it is the end which is missing, then the thread would be there and not in the middle?
These are not a familiar item to me, so I am asking to learn about something new.
Stu

Hello Stu,
The are several types and each has different things when the were not in batle.
Other is a ramrod with tweezer[photo 1. Tweezer ramrod] .The ramrod use from warriors to bake food in fire,like a knive,for smoking tool[photo 2. Warrior firing with grill at the cigarette]
Stelios

kahnjar1 · 15th August 2015, 01:37 PM

OK I see. The "ramrods" were used for different purposes depending on what was inside them?
So going back to the first pics, the ramrod shown here has a thread in the middle which does not appear to screw into anything. The "tweezer" is at the end, but there is no thread there to attached the hollow???rod into which the tweezer fits.....so how does this item become a ramrod?
Stu

Quote:

Originally Posted by stelio

Not sure I understand the comments above.
If this is a ramrod missing it's end, then what is the purpose of the "tweezer"?
Same question...if it is a ramrod, why is there a thread in the middle of what is left? Surely if it is the end which is missing, then the thread would be there and not in the middle?
These are not a familiar item to me, so I am asking to learn about something new.
Stu

Hello Stu,
The are several types and each has different things when the were not in batle.
Other is a ramrod with tweezer[photo 1. Tweezer ramrod] .The ramrod use from warriors to bake food in fire,like a knive,for smoking tool[photo 2. Warrior firing with grill at the cigarette]
Stelios

stelio · 15th August 2015, 01:55 PM

This piece between is the case the half which put upside down . I think I put it there to help the pressure when I took the sphere from the barrel as they did some work had to be stable. I think the opinion of Kubur and Rick would be very helpful .
Stelios

Pukka Bundook · 15th August 2015, 02:55 PM

It still appears something like a ball/bullet extractor to me, but I'm no expert!
It looks like the bit in the centre could be reversed and screwed into the handle part.
If the 'tweezers' are spring-loaded, (made of spring steel) they will expand as the centre tube is slid upwards towards the threaded part, and as the tube is slid back down to-wards the tweezer tips, the spring pressure is increased and they will grip an object securely.

Best,
Richard.

Ian · 15th August 2015, 03:43 PM

An Ottoman suma.

See also here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...15&postcount=9

Ian

Kubur · 15th August 2015, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stelio

This piece between is the case the half which put upside down . I think I put it there to help the pressure when I took the sphere from the barrel as they did some work had to be stable. I think the opinion of Kubur and Rick would be very helpful .
Stelios

I have nothing more to add, it's crystal clear.

Best wishes,
Kubur

rickystl · 15th August 2015, 06:40 PM

Hello all.
Looks like it is in some what excavated condition. I don't think this was a Suma rod. Does not seem to be a provision at the rear for a neck throng. But there is a hole for a throng (or something) down the lower portion. Which would likely preclude this being used for loading a pistol. It looks like there is a piece missing from the lower section that may have threaded in the middle ?? But other than the tongs, I really can't figure this one out.

But it's sure an interesting item.

Stelio: Thanks for the pic!! Never seen that one before. I'll add that to my library.

Rick.

Kubur · 15th August 2015, 07:14 PM

Ah! this time I will disagree with Rick.
It is a suma rod, in a very bad condition and one piece is missing.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=suma
And I will add your pic to my collection too, thanks Stelios.

kahnjar1 · 15th August 2015, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stelio

This piece between is the case the half which put upside down . I think I put it there to help the pressure when I took the sphere from the barrel as they did some work had to be stable. I think the opinion of Kubur and Rick would be very helpful .
Stelios

NOW I understand. Thank you
Stu

stelio · 16th August 2015, 02:45 AM

Rick see the ramrod of Kubur and certainly will see similarities with the photograph at the beginning of our conversation .
Stu on balkan area in 19th century none of the objects do not throw in the garbage if something seems tool could be done even if spoil . Rick and Kubur If you want there are more photos go to facebook. The name of page in facebook is fustanella painting.

Stelios

rickystl · 16th August 2015, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Ah! this time I will disagree with Rick.
It is a suma rod, in a very bad condition and one piece is missing.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=suma
And I will add your pic to my collection too, thanks Stelios.

Hi Kubur!
I stand corrected. Thanks for the Link to that photo. You're right. It was originally a Suma Rod, that looks to be in excavated condition. That loop on the side of the shaft tells me it was to assist in un-screwing the lower portion with the thumb. My error. Good catch. I agree.
Actually, when I think about it, I don't know what else it could be, LOL

Rick.

14th August 2015, 06:07 PM	#1
castellum aquilonis Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 47	"Ancient" Ottoman (?) Ramrod : Age ? I have this also for quite some time and thought it looked like a tool to remove bullets "out off" a person ;-) Does anybody have an idea, how old it could be. 31cm Attached Images Last edited by castellum aquilonis; 14th August 2015 at 08:34 PM.

14th August 2015, 07:11 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	Oops--no attachment with this one! OK, now we do. Last edited by Ian; 14th August 2015 at 08:09 PM.

14th August 2015, 09:20 PM	#3
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	Old Medical Instrument? Just a guess....I do not think this is a ramrod. As you suggest it looks like something to remove "foreign matter" from ones body. An old medical instrument maybe? I am assuming that the prongs are metal? What is the purpose of the threaded piece in the middle? Does it, or did it, screw into the other piece? If this IS a piece of medical kit it would be getting up to 200 years old IMHO. Stu

14th August 2015, 09:30 PM	#4
castellum aquilonis Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 47	Link http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=ramrod

15th August 2015, 07:27 AM	#7
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	?? Not sure I understand the comments above. If this is a ramrod missing it's end, then what is the purpose of the "tweezer"? Same question...if it is a ramrod, why is there a thread in the middle of what is left? Surely if it is the end which is missing, then the thread would be there and not in the middle? These are not a familiar item to me, so I am asking to learn about something new. Stu

14th August 2015, 10:26 PM	#5
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Its a ottoman ramrod ,made in end of 18th century. I think it has lost half case and has go out the tweezer. Stelios

14th August 2015, 10:52 PM	#6
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	look up suma you will find enough complete ones to identify

15th August 2015, 01:21 PM	#8
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Not sure I understand the comments above. If this is a ramrod missing it's end, then what is the purpose of the "tweezer"? Same question...if it is a ramrod, why is there a thread in the middle of what is left? Surely if it is the end which is missing, then the thread would be there and not in the middle? These are not a familiar item to me, so I am asking to learn about something new. Stu Hello Stu, The are several types and each has different things when the were not in batle. Other is a ramrod with tweezer[photo 1. Tweezer ramrod] .The ramrod use from warriors to bake food in fire,like a knive,for smoking tool[photo 2. Warrior firing with grill at the cigarette] Stelios Attached Images

15th August 2015, 01:55 PM	#10
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	This piece between is the case the half which put upside down . I think I put it there to help the pressure when I took the sphere from the barrel as they did some work had to be stable. I think the opinion of Kubur and Rick would be very helpful . Stelios

15th August 2015, 02:55 PM	#11
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	It still appears something like a ball/bullet extractor to me, but I'm no expert! It looks like the bit in the centre could be reversed and screwed into the handle part. If the 'tweezers' are spring-loaded, (made of spring steel) they will expand as the centre tube is slid upwards towards the threaded part, and as the tube is slid back down to-wards the tweezer tips, the spring pressure is increased and they will grip an object securely. Best, Richard.

15th August 2015, 03:43 PM	#12
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,200	An Ottoman suma. See also here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...15&postcount=9 Ian Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 15th August 2015 at 03:53 PM.

15th August 2015, 06:40 PM	#14
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hello all. Looks like it is in some what excavated condition. I don't think this was a Suma rod. Does not seem to be a provision at the rear for a neck throng. But there is a hole for a throng (or something) down the lower portion. Which would likely preclude this being used for loading a pistol. It looks like there is a piece missing from the lower section that may have threaded in the middle ?? But other than the tongs, I really can't figure this one out. But it's sure an interesting item. Stelio: Thanks for the pic!! Never seen that one before. I'll add that to my library. Rick.

15th August 2015, 07:14 PM	#15
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Ah! this time I will disagree with Rick. It is a suma rod, in a very bad condition and one piece is missing. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=suma And I will add your pic to my collection too, thanks Stelios.

16th August 2015, 02:45 AM	#17
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	Rick see the ramrod of Kubur and certainly will see similarities with the photograph at the beginning of our conversation . Stu on balkan area in 19th century none of the objects do not throw in the garbage if something seems tool could be done even if spoil . Rick and Kubur If you want there are more photos go to facebook. The name of page in facebook is fustanella painting. Stelios