MORO KRIS WITH ODD POMMEL

VANDOO · 19th November 2013, 08:17 PM

RECENTLY SOLD ON EBAY I WAS CURIOUS BUT NOT ENOUGH TO BID ON IT.

I AM STILL CURIOUS AND PERHAPS A MEMBER GOT IT AND COULD ENLIGHTEN ME. THE POMMEL APPEARS TO BE A FLAKED STONE OR PERHAPS A CHUNK OF METAL, HAS ANYONE SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE? PERHAPS FOR A TAILSMAN OR TYPE OF ANTING ANTING?

David · 19th November 2013, 08:30 PM

I would need better photos to determine just what that is (metal, stone or wood

). I will say that if it went cheaply enough the rest of the ensemble looks reasonably good and may have been worth a bid.

mross · 19th November 2013, 08:44 PM

Just based on what little tale the pictures show. I would think a badly broken pommel that was carved down to a usable shape.

Gustav · 19th November 2013, 09:40 PM

Could be broken and reshaped, yet the shape reminds a tulip pommel.

Amuk Murugul · 19th November 2013, 10:35 PM

Hullo everybody!

To me, it looks like the stub of the handle used to insert into a pommel, with the pommel having disappeared some time ago. I have a couple where one can see that the stub had merely been inserted and glued to the now-missing pommel.

Best,

Battara · 20th November 2013, 12:47 AM

I think what you folks have proposed is a viable theory, especially if you look at the broken wrap at the base of the pommel.

Spunjer · 20th November 2013, 02:39 PM

Gustav hit it right on the head. it's the tulip pommel. i would bet that at one point, it has some sort of cap similar to this kris:

Battara · 20th November 2013, 03:24 PM

I have seen tulip forms before and the kris pommel in question seems very crude and unfinished, as if the final form was an after thought.

Perhaps close ups might answer many questions.

There is another possibility: this had a tulip or conical metal head head that came off and what we see is the base upon which it sat.......

Spunjer · 20th November 2013, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

I have seen tulip forms before and the kris pommel in question seems very crude and unfinished, as if the final form was an after thought.

Perhaps close ups might answer many questions.

There is another possibility: this had a tulip or conical metal head head that came off and what we see is the base upon which it sat.......

jose, that was the gist of my last post

. in that the kris vandoo posted has a metal cap similar to the kris i posted...

Spunjer · 20th November 2013, 03:59 PM

here are more detailed pictures of the cap:

Battara · 21st November 2013, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

jose, that was the gist of my last post

. in that the kris vandoo posted has a metal cap similar to the kris i posted...

Ah.......I see..... (said the blind man as he picked up his table and saw.

)

VANDOO · 21st November 2013, 08:31 PM

THAT CAP ALSO EXPLAINS THE POORLY CARVED UNFINISHED LOOK OF THE WOOD NO NEED TO DO MUCH TO IT AS THE CAP WOULD COVER ALL. EVIDENTLY THE OWNER WAS NOT EMBARASED BY GOING WITHOUT A CAP AS IT IS HEAVILY PATANATED AND WORN TO WHERE IN MY LARGER PICTURE IT APPEARED TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN WOOD. MYSTERY SOLVED
WHICH GROUP MAKES THIS FORM AND WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE TIME PERIOD IF KNOWN?

Battara · 22nd November 2013, 01:30 AM

From what I can tell from the blade and scabbard, the first example appears to be Maranao. The second seems to be Maguindanao. This would point to a Mindanao characteristic, but the size of examples is small so far, so my analysis comes with a great caveat.

19th November 2013, 08:17 PM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	MORO KRIS WITH ODD POMMEL RECENTLY SOLD ON EBAY I WAS CURIOUS BUT NOT ENOUGH TO BID ON IT. I AM STILL CURIOUS AND PERHAPS A MEMBER GOT IT AND COULD ENLIGHTEN ME. THE POMMEL APPEARS TO BE A FLAKED STONE OR PERHAPS A CHUNK OF METAL, HAS ANYONE SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE? PERHAPS FOR A TAILSMAN OR TYPE OF ANTING ANTING? Attached Images

19th November 2013, 10:35 PM	#5
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 460	Hullo everybody! To me, it looks like the stub of the handle used to insert into a pommel, with the pommel having disappeared some time ago. I have a couple where one can see that the stub had merely been inserted and glued to the now-missing pommel. Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 20th November 2013 at 01:46 AM.

20th November 2013, 02:39 PM	#7
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Gustav hit it right on the head. it's the tulip pommel. i would bet that at one point, it has some sort of cap similar to this kris: Attached Images

20th November 2013, 03:59 PM	#10
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	here are more detailed pictures of the cap: Attached Images

19th November 2013, 08:30 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,125	I would need better photos to determine just what that is (metal, stone or wood ). I will say that if it went cheaply enough the rest of the ensemble looks reasonably good and may have been worth a bid.

19th November 2013, 08:44 PM	#3
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Just based on what little tale the pictures show. I would think a badly broken pommel that was carved down to a usable shape.

19th November 2013, 09:40 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	Could be broken and reshaped, yet the shape reminds a tulip pommel.

20th November 2013, 12:47 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	I think what you folks have proposed is a viable theory, especially if you look at the broken wrap at the base of the pommel.

20th November 2013, 03:24 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	I have seen tulip forms before and the kris pommel in question seems very crude and unfinished, as if the final form was an after thought. Perhaps close ups might answer many questions. There is another possibility: this had a tulip or conical metal head head that came off and what we see is the base upon which it sat.......

21st November 2013, 08:31 PM	#12
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THAT CAP ALSO EXPLAINS THE POORLY CARVED UNFINISHED LOOK OF THE WOOD NO NEED TO DO MUCH TO IT AS THE CAP WOULD COVER ALL. EVIDENTLY THE OWNER WAS NOT EMBARASED BY GOING WITHOUT A CAP AS IT IS HEAVILY PATANATED AND WORN TO WHERE IN MY LARGER PICTURE IT APPEARED TO BE SOMETHING OTHER THAN WOOD. MYSTERY SOLVED WHICH GROUP MAKES THIS FORM AND WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE TIME PERIOD IF KNOWN?

22nd November 2013, 01:30 AM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	From what I can tell from the blade and scabbard, the first example appears to be Maranao. The second seems to be Maguindanao. This would point to a Mindanao characteristic, but the size of examples is small so far, so my analysis comes with a great caveat.