Keris Humor!

David · 24th January 2016, 07:21 PM

Just had to share this from a Facebook group i'm on since i don't believe i have ever encountered intentional keris humor like this.

ariel · 24th January 2016, 08:10 PM

:-)

Sajen · 25th January 2016, 02:35 AM

Roland_M · 27th January 2016, 10:58 AM

It took a while but now i understand the joke.

It was quite heavy, because i am from Germany and Germans have no relation to sex.

Marcokeris · 27th January 2016, 03:25 PM

I am from Italy and... ... ...

harrywagner · 29th January 2016, 01:36 PM

I am hardly what you would call a prude but I find this:

1. Not funny
2. Sexually suggestive
3 inappropriate for a knife forum

Is this forum moderated?

Harry

Rick · 29th January 2016, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrywagner

Is this forum moderated?

Yes it is.
Suggest you check to see who started this thread.

"knife forum"

Now that's inappropriate.....

Royston · 29th January 2016, 05:42 PM

Always wondered how they made the straight bladed ones.

David · 29th January 2016, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrywagner

I am hardly what you would call a prude but I find this:

1. Not funny
2. Sexually suggestive
3 inappropriate for a knife forum

Is this forum moderated?

Harry

Yes Harry. I moderate this forum. I am sorry if you find this thread offensive. In the future i might suggest that you PM the moderator directly if you are so offended. That would be the "appropriate" approach.

David · 29th January 2016, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harrywagner

2. Sexually suggestive

Harry, perhaps you are unaware of the intrinsic symbolism of the keris to represent the masculine principle. Here is some reading for you that might enlighten you.
http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/INTERPRETATIONPAGE4.html

Rick · 29th January 2016, 08:28 PM

I'm getting a bit of a chuckle here because no other weapon carries more implied sexual symbolism in its form, decoration and construction.

A. G. Maisey · 29th January 2016, 10:17 PM

Harry, I do understand your position, and the point that you are making, however, when we engage in a study of the keris, most especially the keris as it is understood in Jawa, we are obliged to step outside the framework of norms that govern acceptability in our own society, and consider the norms that are acceptable in a particular segment of a different society.

In fact, your remarks, and your obvious distaste for this humour would not be at all out of place amongst the Santri class of Javanese society, that is to say, the merchant class that comprises the bulk of highly committed Muslims.

As a generality these people are more or less opposed to many of the ethics and principles that are inherent in the Javanese keris systems and associated iconography. The social parameters for the Santri class are more closely related to the social parameters of traditional Middle Eastern patriarchal societies.

However, the keris and its social and cultural position do not belong to the Santri class, the keris is firmly locked into the belief systems that are a part of the indigenous upper classes, and the indigenous serving classes. That is to say keris culture in its variant forms is associated with the true Javanese people of the land and their urban descendants, and with the ruling classes of Jawa.

I do understand that for a new-comer to the World of the Keris it can be a bit of shock to the system when the sexual symbolism of the keris is revealed, however, the way in which the cycle of life on Earth is maintained is inevitably associated with sexuality, and within Javanese-Hindu culture, this understanding is inseparable from the worship of God and ancestors.

Yes, David's little cartoon comment is rather less than holy, but it would not be seen as out of place by a Javanese farmer.

Rafngard · 30th January 2016, 02:56 AM

Alan,

Thank you for that.
You are, as ever, a valuable resource to this forum.

Thanks,
Leif

iskender · 17th February 2016, 09:54 PM

I love indian weapons,i own a interesting book HINDU ARMS AND RITUAL, Arms and Armor from India 1400-1865,i try to be a good collector,i want to see it all in real.I got a visa ,took a flight and started my travel.To all who are snubbed quickly never do that!!! Warning never ever go to these places in your live : "Khayuraho in Madhya Pradesh" "Markandeshwar Temple in Shahbad Markanda" "Padawali Temple in Maharashra" "Ranakpur Jain Temple in Rajasthan" or the "Sun Temple in Orissa" and many more! Very dangerous! (I now what i talk about,i have been there many times, i am half swiss, we are serious people) greetings iskender

ariel · 17th February 2016, 11:15 PM

Bladed weapons were symbols of masculinity from times immemorial. Not for nothing swords in Freudian psychology were connected with "penis". On the other hand, scabbards were feminine: in Polish, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Hebrew etc. the word for "scabbard" shares its meaning with "vagina".
No reason to be prudish: we are talking about traditions of hundreds and thousands years old.

RobT · 18th February 2016, 03:24 AM

Ariel,
Quite correct. Sheath in Latin is vagina or vaginae.
Sincerely,
RobT

Green · 18th February 2016, 04:49 AM

IMO it's rather nice to lighten things up a bit with weaponary jokes although i guess some would find them er..blunt and are wont to give er... sharp comments.....

ariel · 18th February 2016, 08:58 PM

The yellow-handled dagger in the monk's chest is a.... Bollock knife:-)

David · 19th February 2016, 04:37 PM

Gentlemen, obviously i agree with the concept of lightening it up a little bit...that said though i do need us to keep on topic...which in our case is the keris. So hopefully we can keep our examples and humorous commentary on subject or this thread will get out of hand...

asomotif · 19th February 2016, 10:16 PM

Thanks to your comments I now also understand the joke.

And in addition to Ariel and RobT, scabbard in dutch is "schede", and this word is also used for the vagina.

Ps. no other keris humor available ?
maybe dancing keris in ballroom dress

ariel · 20th February 2016, 06:09 AM

A "male" kris in woman's dress?
Well...
Sign of the times.....

24th January 2016, 07:21 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Keris Humor! Just had to share this from a Facebook group i'm on since i don't believe i have ever encountered intentional keris humor like this. Attached Images

29th January 2016, 01:36 PM	#6
harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	Inappropriate I am hardly what you would call a prude but I find this: 1. Not funny 2. Sexually suggestive 3 inappropriate for a knife forum Is this forum moderated? Harry

29th January 2016, 08:28 PM	#11
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Irony? I'm getting a bit of a chuckle here because no other weapon carries more implied sexual symbolism in its form, decoration and construction.

17th February 2016, 09:54 PM	#14
iskender Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 60	warning for all !!! I love indian weapons,i own a interesting book HINDU ARMS AND RITUAL, Arms and Armor from India 1400-1865,i try to be a good collector,i want to see it all in real.I got a visa ,took a flight and started my travel.To all who are snubbed quickly never do that!!! Warning never ever go to these places in your live : "Khayuraho in Madhya Pradesh" "Markandeshwar Temple in Shahbad Markanda" "Padawali Temple in Maharashra" "Ranakpur Jain Temple in Rajasthan" or the "Sun Temple in Orissa" and many more! Very dangerous! (I now what i talk about,i have been there many times, i am half swiss, we are serious people) greetings iskender

17th February 2016, 11:15 PM	#15
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Bladed weapons were symbols of masculinity from times immemorial. Not for nothing swords in Freudian psychology were connected with "penis". On the other hand, scabbards were feminine: in Polish, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Hebrew etc. the word for "scabbard" shares its meaning with "vagina". No reason to be prudish: we are talking about traditions of hundreds and thousands years old. Last edited by ariel; 18th February 2016 at 09:01 PM.

24th January 2016, 08:10 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	:-)

25th January 2016, 02:35 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779

27th January 2016, 10:58 AM	#4
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	It took a while but now i understand the joke. It was quite heavy, because i am from Germany and Germans have no relation to sex.

27th January 2016, 03:25 PM	#5
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	I am from Italy and... ... ...

29th January 2016, 05:42 PM	#8
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	Always wondered how they made the straight bladed ones.

29th January 2016, 10:17 PM	#12
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,892	Harry, I do understand your position, and the point that you are making, however, when we engage in a study of the keris, most especially the keris as it is understood in Jawa, we are obliged to step outside the framework of norms that govern acceptability in our own society, and consider the norms that are acceptable in a particular segment of a different society. In fact, your remarks, and your obvious distaste for this humour would not be at all out of place amongst the Santri class of Javanese society, that is to say, the merchant class that comprises the bulk of highly committed Muslims. As a generality these people are more or less opposed to many of the ethics and principles that are inherent in the Javanese keris systems and associated iconography. The social parameters for the Santri class are more closely related to the social parameters of traditional Middle Eastern patriarchal societies. However, the keris and its social and cultural position do not belong to the Santri class, the keris is firmly locked into the belief systems that are a part of the indigenous upper classes, and the indigenous serving classes. That is to say keris culture in its variant forms is associated with the true Javanese people of the land and their urban descendants, and with the ruling classes of Jawa. I do understand that for a new-comer to the World of the Keris it can be a bit of shock to the system when the sexual symbolism of the keris is revealed, however, the way in which the cycle of life on Earth is maintained is inevitably associated with sexuality, and within Javanese-Hindu culture, this understanding is inseparable from the worship of God and ancestors. Yes, David's little cartoon comment is rather less than holy, but it would not be seen as out of place by a Javanese farmer.

30th January 2016, 02:56 AM	#13
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 340	Alan, Thank you for that. You are, as ever, a valuable resource to this forum. Thanks, Leif

18th February 2016, 03:24 AM	#16
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 489	Latin is Even Closer Ariel, Quite correct. Sheath in Latin is vagina or vaginae. Sincerely, RobT

18th February 2016, 04:49 AM	#17
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 312	IMO it's rather nice to lighten things up a bit with weaponary jokes although i guess some would find them er..blunt and are wont to give er... sharp comments..... Attached Images

18th February 2016, 08:58 PM	#18
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The yellow-handled dagger in the monk's chest is a.... Bollock knife:-)

19th February 2016, 04:37 PM	#19
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Gentlemen, obviously i agree with the concept of lightening it up a little bit...that said though i do need us to keep on topic...which in our case is the keris. So hopefully we can keep our examples and humorous commentary on subject or this thread will get out of hand...

19th February 2016, 10:16 PM	#20
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Thanks to your comments I now also understand the joke. And in addition to Ariel and RobT, scabbard in dutch is "schede", and this word is also used for the vagina. Ps. no other keris humor available ? maybe dancing keris in ballroom dress

20th February 2016, 06:09 AM	#21
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	A "male" kris in woman's dress? Well... Sign of the times.....