also some pictures....

dralin23 · 13th January 2008, 09:48 AM

hello all over the world...
some guys show in these forum there weapons , so i will show you also a part from my collection. if some one need some more informations over the one ore an other sword from these pictures please ask me! im also intrested over all opinions!!
best wishes send dralin( stefan)

dralin23 · 13th January 2008, 10:02 AM

here are there more pictures from these sword and there blades...

dralin23 · 13th January 2008, 10:06 AM

some more detail pictures...

dralin23 · 13th January 2008, 10:10 AM

more pictures from these swords

Ferguson · 13th January 2008, 10:37 AM

Wow.

That is a very impressive group of Khanda. Absolutely outstanding. Thanks for sharing the pictures of your collection with us Stefan!

Steve Ferguson

dralin23 · 13th January 2008, 10:45 AM

more pictures...!
at one khanda you can see an intresting feature at the hilt. there are an old repair at the basket. these basket was made from watered steel( wootz).
these patissa with the red wraped hilt is matched with an blade from an good visible welding damast steel. at one of the pictures you can see an straight bladed sword with an tulwar hilt( rajasthan shape). the blade is single edged with an 20 cm sharp back edge ( ricasso) these blade is realy sharp and at the end you can ee the rest from the original gold koftgari. can some one tell me more over these kind of swords? the blade is not from watered steel.
the next intresting sword is these pahari( cobra) sword with the basket hilt. i think it is in the original mounting, all the other cobra swords i seen before was mounted with afghan styled pouluar hilt. such an styl i got see only at an picture in the book from g.pant ( indian arms). there was it described as an rare sword from the 16.th ct. the bade is realy made for the fight. i will etch it to proof if these blade was made from an watered steel.
so now i wait at your opinions.
and one thing i must say all, i will not send ore sell these swords

!!
NEVER!!!
stefan

VANDOO · 13th January 2008, 05:51 PM

AN EXCEPTIONAL COLLECTION OF FIRST RATE SWORDS, THANKS FOR SHARING. I DON'T HAVE MANY SWORDS FROM INDIA AND VERY LITTLE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD BUT I CAN RECOGNIZE A GOOD OLD SWORD WHEN I SEE ONE. THE WOOTZ OR DAMASCUS BLADES ARE IMPRESIVE AND WELL ETCHED AND YOUR PHOTO'S VERY GOOD.

"I WILL NOT SEND OR SELL THESE SWORDS EVER" SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE COLLECTOR

I HOPE YOU FIND SOMEONE WITH YOUR LOVE FOR THEM IN YOUR FAMILY TO PASS THEM ON TO.

David · 13th January 2008, 09:07 PM

ummm.... double WOW!

Jens Nordlunde · 13th January 2008, 09:24 PM

Stefan, you show a very interesting variety of Indian weapons, some of them not often seen, and all of them in good quality, should I criticise anything, it would be, that you have not shown each one in its own thread, as the discussion would serve each weapon its own right.

Thank you very much for showing, and I do hope that you in the future will show other Indian weapons from you collection.

Jens

Jim McDougall · 13th January 2008, 10:25 PM

and one thing i must say all, i will not send ore sell these swords

!!
NEVER!!!
stefan[/QUOTE]

Thank you so much for posting this magnificent grouping of Indian swords Stefan! and I'm proud of your protective and cherishing care for them.
It is so good to see collectors who passionately care for the weapons that have become thier charges, and don't view them simply as commodities as is seen altogether too often.

What is best with your pieces is that they represent key variations, and I completely agree with Jens, how about posting them in a thread on Indian swords and each as its own unit so that we could examine and discuss each separately. The weapons of India deserve thier history and stories to be preserved, and what better place than here, with devoted collectors like yourself!

I hope you'll agree

All very best regards,
Jim

Pukka Bundook · 14th January 2008, 01:47 AM

You have some beautiful examples here Stefan!
absoloutly lovely! some I've hardly ever seen before.
Congratulations, and thank you for showing them.

Richard.

Jim McDougall · 14th January 2008, 05:57 AM

Excellent shots of the various sword components, blade tips etc.
The Hindu basket hilts are both Mahratta and Rajput. Most interesting are the 'old Indian hilts' which seem to have remained with Mahrattas, and while the Hindu basket hilts came in quite early, these remained concurrently into the 18th century.
There appear to be pattisas in the first group and cannot tell in the second as it is unclear which blade tips belong to which swords.

The two swords with the chakram/mandala forte are interesting and difficult to properly date and identify, especially the example with paluoar type hilt as noted with similar example in Elgood (p.121, fig.11.17) which suggests it might be from northern Deccan regions, possibly 19th c. The other one, though the hilt reflects Hindu basket hilt form has the tulwar type curve back on upper knuckleguard. Both blades seem to carry similar fullering in the blades suggesting similar period, despite variation.

The cobra/pahari attribution noted seems a bit vague and suggests these may be from regions to the east of Afghanistan through Punjab to Himachal Pradesh, where the Pahari people represent much of the population into Himalayan regions. The cobra term presumes naga association which is often presumed with shapes relating to the snakes hood, but with these the disc associates more with the mandala/chakra, as described in Elgood.

As I have mentioned, most impressive grouping of outstanding examples, which would do well being discussed singly.

dralin23 · 14th January 2008, 09:47 AM

hi all,
thank´s for you comments. when i have a little more time i will make some more pictures and than i show you the best swords in separat pictures. i´t is right in these pictures you don´t know wich pictures is from wich sword. so we can better building an dicussion over all questions and opinions.
thank you all again!!
stefan

That will be great Stefan!

Jim McDougall · 14th January 2008, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dralin23

hi all,
thank´s for you comments. when i have a little more time i will make some more pictures and than i show you the best swords in separat pictures. i´t is right in these pictures you don´t know wich pictures is from wich sword. so we can better building an dicussion over all questions and opinions.
thank you all again!!
stefan

That will be great Stefan!

Sorry I meant to quote not edit. What type of opinions are you looking for? Do you have any thoughts on these weapons that you might like to add?
We know they are impressive, but what makes them so? Have you identified or researched these?
There seems to be a degree of interest in Indian swords here, which is why I thought it might be good to talk about what they are and so on.

CharlesS · 15th January 2008, 02:48 AM

Superb examples. Thanks for sharing.

I think I recognise the gold decorated "cobra" sword!

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dralin23 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 194	more pictures... more pictures...! at one khanda you can see an intresting feature at the hilt. there are an old repair at the basket. these basket was made from watered steel( wootz). these patissa with the red wraped hilt is matched with an blade from an good visible welding damast steel. at one of the pictures you can see an straight bladed sword with an tulwar hilt( rajasthan shape). the blade is single edged with an 20 cm sharp back edge ( ricasso) these blade is realy sharp and at the end you can ee the rest from the original gold koftgari. can some one tell me more over these kind of swords? the blade is not from watered steel. the next intresting sword is these pahari( cobra) sword with the basket hilt. i think it is in the original mounting, all the other cobra swords i seen before was mounted with afghan styled pouluar hilt. such an styl i got see only at an picture in the book from g.pant ( indian arms). there was it described as an rare sword from the 16.th ct. the bade is realy made for the fight. i will etch it to proof if these blade was made from an watered steel. so now i wait at your opinions. and one thing i must say all, i will not send ore sell these swords !! NEVER!!! stefan Attached Images

13th January 2008, 10:37 AM	#5
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Wow. That is a very impressive group of Khanda. Absolutely outstanding. Thanks for sharing the pictures of your collection with us Stefan! Steve Ferguson

13th January 2008, 05:51 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	AN EXCEPTIONAL COLLECTION OF FIRST RATE SWORDS, THANKS FOR SHARING. I DON'T HAVE MANY SWORDS FROM INDIA AND VERY LITTLE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD BUT I CAN RECOGNIZE A GOOD OLD SWORD WHEN I SEE ONE. THE WOOTZ OR DAMASCUS BLADES ARE IMPRESIVE AND WELL ETCHED AND YOUR PHOTO'S VERY GOOD. "I WILL NOT SEND OR SELL THESE SWORDS EVER" SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE COLLECTOR I HOPE YOU FIND SOMEONE WITH YOUR LOVE FOR THEM IN YOUR FAMILY TO PASS THEM ON TO.

13th January 2008, 09:07 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,119	ummm.... double WOW!

13th January 2008, 09:24 PM	#9
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Stefan, you show a very interesting variety of Indian weapons, some of them not often seen, and all of them in good quality, should I criticise anything, it would be, that you have not shown each one in its own thread, as the discussion would serve each weapon its own right. Thank you very much for showing, and I do hope that you in the future will show other Indian weapons from you collection. Jens

13th January 2008, 10:25 PM	#10
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,942	and one thing i must say all, i will not send ore sell these swords !! NEVER!!! stefan[/QUOTE] Thank you so much for posting this magnificent grouping of Indian swords Stefan! and I'm proud of your protective and cherishing care for them. It is so good to see collectors who passionately care for the weapons that have become thier charges, and don't view them simply as commodities as is seen altogether too often. What is best with your pieces is that they represent key variations, and I completely agree with Jens, how about posting them in a thread on Indian swords and each as its own unit so that we could examine and discuss each separately. The weapons of India deserve thier history and stories to be preserved, and what better place than here, with devoted collectors like yourself! I hope you'll agree All very best regards, Jim

14th January 2008, 01:47 AM	#11
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	You have some beautiful examples here Stefan! absoloutly lovely! some I've hardly ever seen before. Congratulations, and thank you for showing them. Richard.

14th January 2008, 05:57 AM	#12
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,942	Excellent shots of the various sword components, blade tips etc. The Hindu basket hilts are both Mahratta and Rajput. Most interesting are the 'old Indian hilts' which seem to have remained with Mahrattas, and while the Hindu basket hilts came in quite early, these remained concurrently into the 18th century. There appear to be pattisas in the first group and cannot tell in the second as it is unclear which blade tips belong to which swords. The two swords with the chakram/mandala forte are interesting and difficult to properly date and identify, especially the example with paluoar type hilt as noted with similar example in Elgood (p.121, fig.11.17) which suggests it might be from northern Deccan regions, possibly 19th c. The other one, though the hilt reflects Hindu basket hilt form has the tulwar type curve back on upper knuckleguard. Both blades seem to carry similar fullering in the blades suggesting similar period, despite variation. The cobra/pahari attribution noted seems a bit vague and suggests these may be from regions to the east of Afghanistan through Punjab to Himachal Pradesh, where the Pahari people represent much of the population into Himalayan regions. The cobra term presumes naga association which is often presumed with shapes relating to the snakes hood, but with these the disc associates more with the mandala/chakra, as described in Elgood. As I have mentioned, most impressive grouping of outstanding examples, which would do well being discussed singly.

14th January 2008, 09:47 AM	#13
dralin23 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 194	hi all, thank´s for you comments. when i have a little more time i will make some more pictures and than i show you the best swords in separat pictures. i´t is right in these pictures you don´t know wich pictures is from wich sword. so we can better building an dicussion over all questions and opinions. thank you all again!! stefan That will be great Stefan! Last edited by Jim McDougall; 14th January 2008 at 04:10 PM.

15th January 2008, 02:48 AM	#15
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Superb examples. Thanks for sharing. I think I recognise the gold decorated "cobra" sword!