Kamcha whipgun?

[karloj]

Hello
I have this "thing". I tried to find similar in the Internet, but no success.

Then I found similar from the book: A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor: in All Countries and in All Times from George Cameron Stone. In the book page 668 figure 856 seems to be very similar "whip-pistol".

Is this a common in somewhere and is this Turkish at all.
Stone mention that it's oriental. Do someone know a little more specific, what part of the orient?

I cant get it cocked or unscrewed it. I can't use any rust remover because there is that fabric, so I do not know it it works or not.

I someone have some ideas about this, I would be very happy to hear them.

Jussi

[archer]

Hi,
The "T' section at the very end likely cocks the firing pin. when that is pulled out the folding trigger can drop down. It may have had something to grab the cross pin to aid in cocking . Look up Cane guns and see how they operate. Likely the barrel and receiver twist and pull apart enough to put in and take out a shell.
If it is Black powder then the metal bar in the middle is a hammer rather that a trigger and the barrel would not come apart and the "t" thing at the end becomes the trigger. Step one take a dowel and see how far it goes it the barrel it maybe loaded if so see a gunsmith. The areas we've discussed seem to be all metal and away from the fabric, if so try break free, etc.
Hope this helps, Steve

P.S. Tread carefully if your in USA Cartridge Cane guns require BTAF Tax approval, not sure on Black powder versions. I had a .410 cartridge cane confiscated by them. See second photo yours just doesn't have a pistol grip.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by karloj

Hello
I have this "thing". I tried to find similar in the Internet, but no success.

Then I found similar from the book: A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor: in All Countries and in All Times from George Cameron Stone. In the book page 668 figure 856 seems to be very similar "whip-pistol".

Is this a common in somewhere and is this Turkish at all.
Stone mention that it's oriental. Do someone know a little more specific, what part of the orient?

I cant get it cocked or unscrewed it. I can't use any rust remover because there is that fabric, so I do not know it it works or not.

I someone have some ideas about this, I would be very happy to hear them.

Jussi

Salaams karloj ~ see http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2009/11/whip-pistol.html for a European equivalent whilst I also search for this peculiar weapon...and having searched... ya difficult to trace but looking at the decoration its off the silk road for sure but where...? Possibly Afghanistan or Turkomen tribal. Amazing pistol idea ... looks like a later conversion no? Interesting weapon...I'm baffled by the screw threads in the muzzle. Could this be a longer staff weapon with 2 or 3 parts screw fitted which has been modified using one piece converted for a single shot round and as a horse whip? I have seen Persian staff weapons, axes, mace and lances in 2 and 3 parts configured with screw threads and decorated shafts.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.