Old Keris

Jonno · 14th September 2009, 08:42 PM

Hello,

Just want to share my old keris with original mounts with you.
Your comments are very welcome.

Thanks,
John

Sajen · 14th September 2009, 10:27 PM

Wow,

very nice keris picit and kul buntet pamor. Also the dress is very adapted. You can show us the pesi?

sajen

David · 14th September 2009, 10:51 PM

Very nice picit kebo lajer. For some reason i am very strongly drawn to this type of keris. Perhaps it all the strong talismanic elements. I especially like this one. Nicely done. Would love to see it in good stain. It looks like the hair was used to keep the hilt tight on the pesi. Am i correct?
I am not convinced that we can be sure about "original" fittings. They certainly seem to have age and the wrongko seems to have been made for the blade, but this isn't necessarily the first dress this blade has seen...or it might well be, but i don't think we can ever be sure.

Gustav · 14th September 2009, 10:51 PM

Is it probably gonjo iras? For me an interesting detail is the small ring-shaped figure on the gonjo. The sorsoran looks reshaped in some places.

Is it a proper dress for a talismanic keris? Is it acceptable for shorter Central Java blades to have a normal size sarung?

Jonno · 14th September 2009, 11:00 PM

Hi,
First, I didn’t plan to remove de ukiran. The keris is in the Netherlands for 70 years and nobody has removed anything.
But I removed the handle today. It looks like an old pesi with human hair and this has almost become to dust.

Alam Shah · 15th September 2009, 12:44 AM

Hi,
A lovely keris, congratulations..
This keris have a separate ganja (not ganja iras).. the pamor does not flow continuously from the blade to the ganja..

The layering technique of the 'kul buntet' inlay looks more like a 'batu lapak' form, rather that the swirls of a kul buntet form..

A. G. Maisey · 15th September 2009, 01:41 AM

Actually, we can't call this either kul buntet or batu lapak, it is simply pamor tambal, and my guess is that it has been done well after the time of completion of the blade.

Alam Shah · 15th September 2009, 05:48 AM

I'm not calling it batu lapak.. I'm just making a comparison on the style of the layering works of the inlay..

If the inlay sat at the base of the blade, then I'll most definitely call it batu lapak.. In this case, pamor tambal is appropriate..

erikscollectables · 15th September 2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Very nice picit kebo lajer. For some reason i am very strongly drawn to this type of keris. Perhaps it all the strong talismanic elements. I especially like this one. Nicely done. Would love to see it in good stain. It looks like the hair was used to keep the hilt tight on the pesi. Am i correct?
I am not convinced that we can be sure about "original" fittings. They certainly seem to have age and the wrongko seems to have been made for the blade, but this isn't necessarily the first dress this blade has seen...or it might well be, but i don't think we can ever be sure.

Hi David,

The same here I like the kebo lajer form very much and this one to me seems to be very nice and in good condition. Why would you restain this one. It seems to be quite ok to me as it is.

Regards, Erik

erikscollectables · 15th September 2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

For me an interesting detail is the small ring-shaped figure on the gonjo.

I had the same question. It looks like there is a miniature kul buntet there as well?

David · 15th September 2009, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erikscollectables

It seems to be quite ok to me as it is.

Well i think it looks "OK" as well...but i also think that it could look better.

Sajen · 15th September 2009, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Actually, we can't call this either kul buntet or batu lapak, it is simply pamor tambal, and my guess is that it has been done well after the time of completion of the blade.

Yes, now by the close up picture I can see it also, pamor tambal.

sajen

Sajen · 17th September 2009, 12:50 AM

Here are two of my picit keris, the left one with missing ganja and the right one is a keris putut, both blades are very thin.

sajen

Jonno · 17th September 2009, 03:49 PM

Thank you all for your response.

Sajen,
Thanks for showing your keris. My keris is also very thin.
Do you have a picture of the pesi?

Sajen · 17th September 2009, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonno

Thank you all for your response.

Sajen,
Thanks for showing your keris. My keris is also very thin.
Do you have a picture of the pesi?

I just take them, the first picture is from the keris putut, the other from the keris with missing ganja.

14th September 2009, 08:42 PM	#1
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	Old Keris Hello, Just want to share my old keris with original mounts with you. Your comments are very welcome. Thanks, John Attached Images

14th September 2009, 11:00 PM	#5
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	Hi, First, I didn’t plan to remove de ukiran. The keris is in the Netherlands for 70 years and nobody has removed anything. But I removed the handle today. It looks like an old pesi with human hair and this has almost become to dust. Attached Images

17th September 2009, 12:50 AM	#13
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,794	Here are two of my picit keris, the left one with missing ganja and the right one is a keris putut, both blades are very thin. sajen Attached Images

14th September 2009, 10:27 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,794	Wow, very nice keris picit and kul buntet pamor. Also the dress is very adapted. You can show us the pesi? sajen

14th September 2009, 10:51 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Very nice picit kebo lajer. For some reason i am very strongly drawn to this type of keris. Perhaps it all the strong talismanic elements. I especially like this one. Nicely done. Would love to see it in good stain. It looks like the hair was used to keep the hilt tight on the pesi. Am i correct? I am not convinced that we can be sure about "original" fittings. They certainly seem to have age and the wrongko seems to have been made for the blade, but this isn't necessarily the first dress this blade has seen...or it might well be, but i don't think we can ever be sure.

14th September 2009, 10:51 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,249	Is it probably gonjo iras? For me an interesting detail is the small ring-shaped figure on the gonjo. The sorsoran looks reshaped in some places. Is it a proper dress for a talismanic keris? Is it acceptable for shorter Central Java blades to have a normal size sarung?

15th September 2009, 12:44 AM	#6
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi, A lovely keris, congratulations.. This keris have a separate ganja (not ganja iras).. the pamor does not flow continuously from the blade to the ganja.. The layering technique of the 'kul buntet' inlay looks more like a 'batu lapak' form, rather that the swirls of a kul buntet form..

15th September 2009, 01:41 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,898	Actually, we can't call this either kul buntet or batu lapak, it is simply pamor tambal, and my guess is that it has been done well after the time of completion of the blade.

15th September 2009, 05:48 AM	#8
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	I'm not calling it batu lapak.. I'm just making a comparison on the style of the layering works of the inlay.. If the inlay sat at the base of the blade, then I'll most definitely call it batu lapak.. In this case, pamor tambal is appropriate..

17th September 2009, 03:49 PM	#14
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	Thank you all for your response. Sajen, Thanks for showing your keris. My keris is also very thin. Do you have a picture of the pesi?