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28th March 2016, 03:19 PM
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Estoc sword of type XVII ?
O.L. 127.5 cm ; blade L. 109 cm; blade width at cross 3.2cm
Passau wolf mark in one side. Grip: made from horn (about 11 cm) Blade: flattened hexagonal section With a Fuller running from the cross till the tip. Pommel: Oakeshott type T Cross guard 20.8 cm of square section Type XVII would be the nearest type of Oakeshott who could correspond to this sword. Période 1470-1530 ? Any comment on it will be welcome. Best Cerjak Last edited by Cerjak; 28th March 2016 at 08:15 PM. |
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30th March 2016, 01:20 PM
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Hi Cerjak,
what a beautiful sword! I am looking since years for such a sword. In my opinion this is a cavalry sword (in german "Reiterschwert" for "Rider sword"). An Estoc is more massive and normally with a triangular or square cross section, designed for powerful stabbing through plate armour. Or more precise, designed to find the gaps in the enemy plate armour. Roland Last edited by Roland_M; 30th March 2016 at 01:42 PM. |
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2nd April 2016, 10:06 AM
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Hi Roland,
Many thank for your comment. Do you know other riding swords with similar simple cross guard ? Best Cerjak |
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4th April 2016, 05:43 PM
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Hi Cerjak, until now i only found this sword from 1547. I am sure, that an Estoc has no groove in the middle. Your example of the ridingsword is quite unusual. Can you check the weight please? The ridingsword weighs around 1450-1650 Gramm. The quality and value of a ridingsword is normally much higher than an Estoc. I can see four possibilities: 1: a riding sword 2: a very early rapier 3: a symbol of authority (like the sword below) 4: a composite piece (improbable) Best wishes, Roland Last edited by Roland_M; 4th April 2016 at 06:30 PM. |
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4th April 2016, 09:16 PM
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HI Andrea
This sword is about 1260 gr. Also the point of balance is 10 cm from the cross. This sword is very well balanced Cornelistromp who had it once in hands could confirm it. Best Cerjak |
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5th April 2016, 08:27 AM
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Hi Cerjak,
with a weight of 1260 Gramm, a blade length of 109 cm and the balance point you described, i would classify it as an early rapier. The rapier is a further development of the longsword, the so called "hand and a half sword". Roland |
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