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blackforest1959 · 16th December 2023, 10:39 AM

Recently i had the opportunity to get this dutch klewang with the marking 'Hembrug'. It also has an additional marking and a little plate stating 'P.A.M. 1281' , see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...6&postcount=11 .

wish you all a nice weekend

werecow · 16th December 2023, 02:02 PM

Interesting decorations on the scabbard, haven't seen that before. Do those have some sort of significance?

corrado26 · 16th December 2023, 03:59 PM

The P.A.M. 1281-marking is probably a museums identification badge, the A.M. eventually for Military Mueum

Jim McDougall · 16th December 2023, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by corrado26

The P.A.M. 1281-marking is probably a museums identification badge, the A.M. eventually for Military Mueum

Udo you are a master of the esoterica of these weapons!!

corrado26 · 16th December 2023, 04:48 PM

No wonder, I spent many long years in a military museum and know how museums label their inventory

Ian · 16th December 2023, 09:31 PM

Udo,

You may well be correct. However, I've seen similar plates refer to a particular unit and the individual sword number within that unit. Each person issued one of these swords had a numbered weapon. Many different groups were issued with these swords, including some police units, but not all used numbered examples. I'm on vacation at present, but when I get back I will check the book on Klewang and see if that abbreviation is mentioned. The crown over "Z" mark is likely an inspector's mark, which may help pin down the year of manufacture.

Ian

ruiter58 · 3rd April 2024, 02:37 PM

The P.A.M. on the messing plate is for a klewang belonging to the Field-police of Bondowoso and Djember (note: This is Dutch spelling used in 1935 so it maybe named different now) the number is the weapon number within that unit. As far as I know this information is in Dutch only. In a later post I will try to translate it.

Kind regards, Ron

16th December 2023, 10:39 AM	#1
blackforest1959 Member Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: Cibubur, bekasi, Indonesia Posts: 10	Newest acquisition Recently i had the opportunity to get this dutch klewang with the marking 'Hembrug'. It also has an additional marking and a little plate stating 'P.A.M. 1281' , see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...6&postcount=11 . wish you all a nice weekend Attached Images

3rd April 2024, 02:37 PM	#7
ruiter58 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Kytlice, Czech Republic Posts: 19	Messing plate P.A.M. 1281 The P.A.M. on the messing plate is for a klewang belonging to the Field-police of Bondowoso and Djember (note: This is Dutch spelling used in 1935 so it maybe named different now) the number is the weapon number within that unit. As far as I know this information is in Dutch only. In a later post I will try to translate it. Kind regards, Ron Attached Images

16th December 2023, 02:02 PM	#2
werecow Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Leiden, NL Posts: 499	Interesting decorations on the scabbard, haven't seen that before. Do those have some sort of significance?

16th December 2023, 03:59 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,207	The P.A.M. 1281-marking is probably a museums identification badge, the A.M. eventually for Military Mueum

16th December 2023, 04:48 PM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,207	No wonder, I spent many long years in a military museum and know how museums label their inventory

16th December 2023, 09:31 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Udo, You may well be correct. However, I've seen similar plates refer to a particular unit and the individual sword number within that unit. Each person issued one of these swords had a numbered weapon. Many different groups were issued with these swords, including some police units, but not all used numbered examples. I'm on vacation at present, but when I get back I will check the book on Klewang and see if that abbreviation is mentioned. The crown over "Z" mark is likely an inspector's mark, which may help pin down the year of manufacture. Ian