New addition #2 Panjang or maybe not

[kino]

Is this a Panjang?
Blade 22 in. No visible pamur.
Hilt is horn , upper part is pierced.
Thoughts??

[David]

Another nice find. You have been fortunate indeed lately Kino!
I would call it a panjang, but it might have a different classification. It has those beautiful long fullers like your carita which is not usually a feature on the other panjangs i have seen. But the length and other features look right for a panjang. Beautiful non the less.
Again i would venture that this is a peninsula blade. Is the name panjang used in that area?

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by David

I would call it a panjang, but it might have a different classification. It has those beautiful long fullers like your carita which is not usually a feature on the other panjangs i have seen. But the length and other features look right for a panjang. Beautiful non the less.
Again i would venture that this is a peninsula blade. Is the name panjang used in that area?

It is a keris panjang from Peninsular Malaysia.. a 'young' blade, but beautiful nevertheless. David, it should fall within the panjang classification. These type do exists. I've seen quite a number of old examples.. although perhaps you've not seen any. This form can be found in the Malay archipelago. Yes, it's still known as keris panjang.

[kino]

Another nice find. You have been fortunate indeed lately Kino

Thanks! (knocking on wood)

It is a keris panjang from Peninsular Malaysia.. a 'young' blade,

Alam Shah, At what age would you place this blade at?

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by kino

Alam Shah, At what age would you place this blade at?

When it comes to age, your guess is as good as mine.. the hilt looks older than the blade.. the blade material reminds me on one of mine.. (( link ))

[PenangsangII]

Yup, a peninsular panjang - could be Kelantan

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Yup, a peninsular panjang - could be Kelantan

A Northern Peninsular variant.. probably from Kelantan or Pattani.

[milandro]

I am resurrecting this thread because is the only one which talks of something of my interest.

I don't have pictures yet of the kris.

Are there crossbreed examples of Panjangs with a Pattani or Coteng( Kingfisher) known to the community?

I have seen just a couple looking around internet but you never know if they have been assembled in this way . It would certainly make a nice hilt to hold on to while walking with such a weapon, but is it kosher?

[milandro]

I found another Panjang on line with a Patani Coating Hilt


these are pics from a auction concluded two years ago (so allowable here right?)

How usual or unusual is this combination?

[David]

I have seen Tajong hilts on panjang blades before, but as far as i know this is not a traditionally acceptable combination. The keris panjang you show here is a rather recent blade i think.

[milandro]

yes, there seem to be quite a few recent blades with pamor while the older examples are pamorless.

The one I bought doesn't appear to have any pamor

[kai]

Dear all,

Most examples on the market these days are results of cultural appropriation for mere business reasons - if not outright fakes (in case claimed being genuine northern Melayu pieces/antiques), they tend to be poor copies exhibiting poor flow of lines, non-Malay motifs, etc.

The example discussed in post #9 seems to has a blade straight out of Madura, made yesterday when acquired and placed onto auction soon enough. Not sure where these hilt reproductions are carved in Indonesia, but they have been getting better and better in recent years. Many are still easy give-aways like this one though.

I can't remember seeing any old ensembles combining a genuine tajong hilt with any Bangkinang blade - I guess many local Singgora/Pattani/Kelantan blades are close enough (long/slender) to not bother bringing in Bangkinang blades in olden times for regular usage.

Aside from possibly older (vintage?) Sumatran copies of coteng/tajong hilts, there apparently are related genuine hilt styles from Sunda and Sumatra, some of the latter might have been combined with keris panjang blades.

Regards,
Kai