A Piso Podang?...or a Tulwar???

CharlesS · 17th December 2011, 10:33 PM

Here is one of the most unique swords of its type that I have encountered. The sword, or long dagger, is clearly cut down from a larger (European??) blade. The piece is 20.5 in. overall, with a 15in. blade. The hilt is silver plated in what could be an early S. Indian style, or a typical piso podang hilt. the scabbard is en suite with white metal locket and chape, both enameled. The enameling reminds me of work I have seen on Moroccan nimchas in style and quality. The scabbard is wrapped in tooled, grained leather, with 3 gold embossed stars.

So.....Indian???....Indonesian???....or somewhere else???

I look forward to your comments and opinions.

Rick · 17th December 2011, 11:02 PM

Sure looks like a Sumatran/Algerian fusion piece .
Is the hilt plated ?
A result of trade within Dar al Islam ?

CharlesS · 17th December 2011, 11:51 PM

Does, indeed, look plated. Good eye!

Rick · 18th December 2011, 04:30 AM

The blade cross section reminds me of :

Stan S. · 18th December 2011, 04:38 AM

What a beuty! I only wish it was a full length. The hilt is a piso podang hilt.

Atlantia · 18th December 2011, 06:44 AM

Very interesting piece Charles.
Is this part on an inscription on the lip of the chape?

Jim McDougall · 18th December 2011, 04:35 PM

You really do have a great eye Rick!!!! This seems very much to be a 'fusion' item and keenly illustrates the kinds of hybridization that evolved in the trade spheres.
The mounts on the scabbard remind me of the styles used on the sa'ifs produced in Hyderabad for the Arab trade, and that often carried if course into the East Africa/Red Sea spheres which in turn entered the caravan routes of North Africa/Meditteranean routes.

The enameling is characteristic in process of Mughal Northern India, but was of course used in varying degree elsewhere in India into the Deccan. The flueret style quillon terminals are typically associated with the Deccani regional forms on hilts but extend into N.India as well. This has always been an interesting note on these piso podang hilts in thier similarity to these Indian hilts (Deccani and the Afghani paluouar) with pommel cups rather than discs.

Good call on the blade as well, and the cross section does seem very much like these trade blades which occur on kaskaras. Again, the cross diffusion of these blades has presented many anomalies with North African type blades mounted with Indo-Persian hilts.

It seems that these kinds of weapons with features and elements of varying regions would most certainly have been found throughout trade centers in the Red Sea areas during the British condominium in Egypt/Sudan and the Aden Protectorate. Weapons from Sumatra, India, Central Asia and the Middle East all entered these trade centers and from there into caravan networks.

I think Gene may be onto something as well, those seemingly strategic images on the chape lip..are they characters?

A most colorful representation of trade diffusion...and beautiful piece!

Thank you for posting Charles,

Jim

Sajen · 18th December 2011, 05:00 PM

Agree with the others, a beautiful piece and thank you for sharing with us.

Regards,

Detlef

Rick · 18th December 2011, 05:21 PM

This could conceivably been carried instead of a Telek in a wealthy native's regalia ?

Agree about the enamel work motifs and colors Charles .

"This has always been an interesting note on these piso podang hilts in thier similarity to these Indian hilts (Deccani and the Afghani paluouar) with pommel cups rather than discs."

Jim, the Hulu Meu Apet of the Achenese sabre also has a strong indian influence; interesting to see this influence in disparate cultural groups from the same island .

These are the only two Sumatran hilt forms I know of that show such influence .

CharlesS · 28th December 2011, 02:26 PM

I couldn't agree more. This piece is likely the ultimate example of trade throughout the Islamic world.

17th December 2011, 10:33 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	A Piso Podang?...or a Tulwar??? Here is one of the most unique swords of its type that I have encountered. The sword, or long dagger, is clearly cut down from a larger (European??) blade. The piece is 20.5 in. overall, with a 15in. blade. The hilt is silver plated in what could be an early S. Indian style, or a typical piso podang hilt. the scabbard is en suite with white metal locket and chape, both enameled. The enameling reminds me of work I have seen on Moroccan nimchas in style and quality. The scabbard is wrapped in tooled, grained leather, with 3 gold embossed stars. So.....Indian???....Indonesian???....or somewhere else??? I look forward to your comments and opinions. Attached Images Last edited by CharlesS; 17th December 2011 at 11:52 PM.

18th December 2011, 04:30 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,292	The blade cross section reminds me of : Attached Images

18th December 2011, 06:44 AM	#6
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Very interesting piece Charles. Is this part on an inscription on the lip of the chape? Attached Images

18th December 2011, 05:21 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,292	This could conceivably been carried instead of a Telek in a wealthy native's regalia ? Agree about the enamel work motifs and colors Charles . "This has always been an interesting note on these piso podang hilts in thier similarity to these Indian hilts (Deccani and the Afghani paluouar) with pommel cups rather than discs." Jim, the Hulu Meu Apet of the Achenese sabre also has a strong indian influence; interesting to see this influence in disparate cultural groups from the same island . These are the only two Sumatran hilt forms I know of that show such influence . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 18th December 2011 at 05:51 PM.

17th December 2011, 11:02 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,292	Sure looks like a Sumatran/Algerian fusion piece . Is the hilt plated ? A result of trade within Dar al Islam ?

17th December 2011, 11:51 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Does, indeed, look plated. Good eye!

18th December 2011, 04:38 AM	#5
Stan S. Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Brooklyn, NY USA Posts: 227	What a beuty! I only wish it was a full length. The hilt is a piso podang hilt.

18th December 2011, 04:35 PM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,943	You really do have a great eye Rick!!!! This seems very much to be a 'fusion' item and keenly illustrates the kinds of hybridization that evolved in the trade spheres. The mounts on the scabbard remind me of the styles used on the sa'ifs produced in Hyderabad for the Arab trade, and that often carried if course into the East Africa/Red Sea spheres which in turn entered the caravan routes of North Africa/Meditteranean routes. The enameling is characteristic in process of Mughal Northern India, but was of course used in varying degree elsewhere in India into the Deccan. The flueret style quillon terminals are typically associated with the Deccani regional forms on hilts but extend into N.India as well. This has always been an interesting note on these piso podang hilts in thier similarity to these Indian hilts (Deccani and the Afghani paluouar) with pommel cups rather than discs. Good call on the blade as well, and the cross section does seem very much like these trade blades which occur on kaskaras. Again, the cross diffusion of these blades has presented many anomalies with North African type blades mounted with Indo-Persian hilts. It seems that these kinds of weapons with features and elements of varying regions would most certainly have been found throughout trade centers in the Red Sea areas during the British condominium in Egypt/Sudan and the Aden Protectorate. Weapons from Sumatra, India, Central Asia and the Middle East all entered these trade centers and from there into caravan networks. I think Gene may be onto something as well, those seemingly strategic images on the chape lip..are they characters? A most colorful representation of trade diffusion...and beautiful piece! Thank you for posting Charles, Jim

18th December 2011, 05:00 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Agree with the others, a beautiful piece and thank you for sharing with us. Regards, Detlef

28th December 2011, 02:26 PM	#10
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	I couldn't agree more. This piece is likely the ultimate example of trade throughout the Islamic world.