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Old 5th November 2009, 07:33 PM   #1
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Default Tulwar - oldish?

Added a new tulwar to the arsenal. 33" overall, the blade has the eyelash mark. I seem to recall a few tulwars in the past with the eyelash and gear combination.
The zigzag mark looks a bit like a stylized "wolf of Passau".

I find the handle very interesting. The silver decoration is not inlay but seems to be niello. The surface of the handle was scored and overlaid with a black material into which the silver was applied. Was this the usual way of applying overlay?

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Old 5th November 2009, 11:02 PM   #2
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Looks more like typical koftgari- score the steel, press in the the silver enough to create a mechanical lock, then paint on your special resin/something mixture and polish down. Brings out the contrast. Oppi Untracht details this method in his metal techniques of craftsman book.
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Old 30th November 2009, 05:55 PM   #3
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Emanuel,
Could the decoration be made in Bidri work?
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Old 30th November 2009, 07:04 PM   #4
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Good suggestion Jens, I was not aware of this technique. The silver is indeed laid into the black material, not directly on the hilt surface.
Here are some examples of Bidriware.

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Old 1st December 2009, 10:28 PM   #5
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I learn something new here every day. Thank you gentlemen!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidriware
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Old 26th December 2015, 03:35 PM   #6
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Smile Bidri ware hilt intact

Hello Guys,

this is a very interesting post.

Here's picture of an intact Tulwar hilt with bidri ware. Same decorations like Emanuel's. Blade has also same "eyelash"-mark, but also some cartridges. Maybe sanskrit? I don't know. I am a greenhorn with indian edged weapons.

The last finish for bidri ware is made with a special paste after the inlays are made. It makes the bidri ware smooth and black without harming the inlays. The paste contents a secret substance (acid), which is gained only on side (Bidar).True ?

You can find kinds of informations on homepages of dealers from modern bidri ware.

Hilt is not complete cleaned yet. There are no blemishes.

kind regards
and still a merry chrismas
Enibas

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Old 26th December 2015, 05:17 PM   #7
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Hi Enibas,

Interesting hilt you are showing. Please show the whole tulwar, and can you show a sharp close up of part of the hilt decoration, together with a picture of the top of the disc? Is the blade watered or pattern welded? Please show any decorations/markings on the blade in close ups.

We all try to learn something on this forum, so dont worry.

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Old 27th December 2015, 03:34 PM   #8
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Default sharp close ups

Hi Jens und all,

you are just kidding me... sharp close ups.... Camera hates me!

But I am gonna try my best next days, please a little bit endurance.

Blade: no pattern visible. I guess, it's forged by preindustrial iron,but I cannot be sure.

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