Crowns on Aceh weapons revisited - Page 4

Battara · 4th April 2016, 12:16 AM

Oh yes I saw that for sale by Czerny's auction weeks ago. I love it and thanks for posting it.

Jentayu · 13th April 2016, 02:19 PM

Another example of gold crown sewar in my collection. It has the same profile and style akin to sewar supposedly belong to the last sultan of Aceh that Micheal Backman sold lately.Are this the typical form and style donned for sewar reserved for royalty?

Battara · 13th April 2016, 02:47 PM

First: yes.

Second: What a beautiful piece you have and thank you for sharing this. Maybe one day when I grow up, I'll have one too...........

Sajen · 13th April 2016, 07:40 PM

I am not sure that pieces like this are only reserved for royalty?

I think that wealthy people also could have owned thus a piece but frankly I don't know it exactly.
Beautiful piece with gold, suassa, ivory and akar bahar, very very nice!

Regards,
Detlef

Miguel · 13th April 2016, 07:58 PM

An absolutely outstanding piece thank you so much for sharing.
Miguel

Battara · 14th April 2016, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

I am not sure that pieces like this are only reserved for royalty?

I think that wealthy people also could have owned thus a piece but frankly I don't know it exactly.
Detlef

A good question Detlef.

If I remember right, only nobility were allowed to have the gold crowns on their weaponry. This is restricted to the former sultanate of Aceh where these originate.

asomotif · 6th October 2016, 12:48 AM

I saw this cojang last weekend at Amsterdam Tropenmuseum.

More a ferrule than a "crown", but nice to share imho.

Battara · 6th October 2016, 02:57 AM

W W!

That cojen is gorgeous! Never seen one with that kind of ferrule before. Great carving too. Are there pictures of the whole thing?

Jentayu · 7th October 2016, 09:15 AM

Another example of royal Atjeh sewar

Battara · 7th October 2016, 04:27 PM

Well great - now i have to pick up my eye balls off the floor!

Insanely beautiful!

Do you have pictures of your whole piece as well?

kai · 7th October 2016, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Do you have pictures of your whole piece as well?

I'd second that!

kai · 7th October 2016, 10:11 PM

Hello Willem,

Quote:

More a ferrule than a "crown", but nice to share imho.

Yes, this is definitely a high-end status piece! The typical cojang status version comes with a plain suassa ferrule - this enamel version certainly belongs into this thread IMHO.

Regards,
Kai

asomotif · 7th October 2016, 10:44 PM

[QUOTE=BattaraThat cojen is gorgeous! Never seen one with that kind of ferrule before. Great carving too. Are there pictures of the whole thing?[/QUOTE]

The blade is quite ordinairy. I did not think of making a picture of the complete cojang, but found that I have parts of it, so here they are...

asomotif · 7th October 2016, 10:50 PM

This sewar was also on exhibit in The Tropenmuseum, Amsterdam,

Battara · 8th October 2016, 12:39 AM

Thank you gentlemen!

I just love all that gold, enamel, and gem work!!!

Jentayu · 9th October 2016, 12:14 PM

Another exmple of gold sewar from Atjeh's museum.

Sajen · 9th October 2016, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jentayu

Another exmple of gold sewar from Atjeh's museum.

Wow, thank you for sharing!

Battara · 9th October 2016, 05:15 PM

W W!

That's CRAZY beautiful!!!!

What is the name of the Aceh museum?

asomotif · 9th October 2016, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jentayu

Another exmple of gold sewar from Atjeh's museum.

Hello Jentayu,

Wonderful examples you are showing here.
The first with akar bahar and traditional enamel work.
Do you have information about the age of these 2 pieces ?

Best regards,
Willem

asomotif · 9th October 2016, 11:54 PM

Here is the picture from the gold sewar I found on the website of the Tropenmuseum. As for "tge age, they only mention "pre 1947" which is not very precise unfortunately

Jentayu · 10th October 2016, 09:15 AM

Hi Willem,

I am not sure of the age. The first sewar with akar bahar is currently in my collection and from my observation it has standard and the same features that the sewar sold by Michael Backman supposedly belonged to Acehnese Sultan but mine has a darker patina on its ivory cross guard compared to Michael's. While the other sewar currently belongs to a Teuku residing in Indonesia which is part of his family heirloom.

Jentayu · 10th October 2016, 09:20 AM

Another view of the sewar in my collection

Jentayu · 10th October 2016, 09:26 AM

Another sewar with suassa and gold with rather "not so royal looking" sheath. I believe this too is from exhibit in Aceh's museum.

Battara · 12th October 2016, 04:47 AM

Looks like the scabbard and sewar were married, not original to each other.

Also looks like someone tested the suassa on the bottom of the grip in the bottom photo.

Jentayu · 2nd November 2016, 12:44 PM

Royal sewar that belongs to a Teuku in Aceh as part of their family heirloom.

Loedjoe · 7th November 2016, 12:45 PM

In post #90, Asomotif shows us a rencong with a quadruple crown, like the crowns on siwaih (e.g. posts #64, 74, 92).

Has anyone come across other rencong with similar quadruple crowns?

asomotif · 8th November 2016, 01:20 PM

Hello loedjoe,

Well noted. this rencong is definately a rencong, but has all the other Siwai features. The suasa ferrule and the quadruppel crowns.

I cannot recall a similar example. Maybe someone else does ?

Best regards,
Willem

Loedjoe · 8th November 2016, 02:35 PM

Many thanks, Willem, for your response. Let us hope others will see my question, and perhaps come up with other examples. (Although, as this rencong is now in my collection, I hope it remains unique!)

Best wishes, Tim

kai · 8th November 2016, 03:46 PM

Hello Tim,

Congrats! I hope we didn't drove up the price too much back then!

Your rencong is certainly special with those 4 rows; it's noteworthy that in this siwaih configuration, usually the 2nd row is quite tall and more rounded as if leaning towards a glupa configuration (usually one large row with more or less rounded tips and tiny indentations at both sides of the tip; and another small row of wide triangles at the base) while the uppermost 2 rows are puco style (triangles with acute tips). Most nobility rencong with "crowns" exhibit the puco configuration while a few have glupa (and yours the siwaih "mix"

).

If you go back to Erik's pic at the very beginning of this thread, the rencong with the silver hilt (2nd from right) seems to also lean towards a glupa base with a single puco row on top.

Incidentally, the rencong on the right hand side has a similar suassa-covered bolster and also this backward-directed duru seuke (base extension of the blade) which I associate with Gayo rather than Aceh. OTOH, the enamel work in your example seems to suggest an Aceh origin though...

Regards,
Kai

Maurice · 8th November 2016, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loedjoe

Let us hope others will see my question, and perhaps come up with other examples. (Although, as this rencong is now in my collection, I hope it remains unique!)

Till we find another one like this, we could consider it as unique!

Kind regards,
Maurice

13th April 2016, 02:19 PM	#92
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Example of gold Sewar in my collection Another example of gold crown sewar in my collection. It has the same profile and style akin to sewar supposedly belong to the last sultan of Aceh that Micheal Backman sold lately.Are this the typical form and style donned for sewar reserved for royalty? Attached Images

6th October 2016, 12:48 AM	#97
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	I saw this cojang last weekend at Amsterdam Tropenmuseum. More a ferrule than a "crown", but nice to share imho. Attached Images

7th October 2016, 09:15 AM	#99
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Another example of royal Atjeh sewar Attached Images

7th October 2016, 10:44 PM	#103
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	[QUOTE=BattaraThat cojen is gorgeous! Never seen one with that kind of ferrule before. Great carving too. Are there pictures of the whole thing?[/QUOTE] The blade is quite ordinairy. I did not think of making a picture of the complete cojang, but found that I have parts of it, so here they are... Attached Images

7th October 2016, 10:50 PM	#104
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	This sewar was also on exhibit in The Tropenmuseum, Amsterdam, Attached Images

4th April 2016, 12:16 AM	#91
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	Oh yes I saw that for sale by Czerny's auction weeks ago. I love it and thanks for posting it.

13th April 2016, 02:47 PM	#93
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	First: yes. Second: What a beautiful piece you have and thank you for sharing this. Maybe one day when I grow up, I'll have one too...........

13th April 2016, 07:40 PM	#94
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,797	I am not sure that pieces like this are only reserved for royalty? I think that wealthy people also could have owned thus a piece but frankly I don't know it exactly. Beautiful piece with gold, suassa, ivory and akar bahar, very very nice! Regards, Detlef

13th April 2016, 07:58 PM	#95
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	An absolutely outstanding piece thank you so much for sharing. Miguel

6th October 2016, 02:57 AM	#98
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	W W! That cojen is gorgeous! Never seen one with that kind of ferrule before. Great carving too. Are there pictures of the whole thing?

7th October 2016, 04:27 PM	#100
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	Well great - now i have to pick up my eye balls off the floor! Insanely beautiful! Do you have pictures of your whole piece as well?

8th October 2016, 12:39 AM	#105
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	Thank you gentlemen! I just love all that gold, enamel, and gem work!!!

9th October 2016, 12:14 PM	#106
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Another exmple of gold sewar from Atjeh's museum. Attached Images

9th October 2016, 05:15 PM	#108
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	W W! That's CRAZY beautiful!!!! What is the name of the Aceh museum?

9th October 2016, 11:54 PM	#110
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Here is the picture from the gold sewar I found on the website of the Tropenmuseum. As for "tge age, they only mention "pre 1947" which is not very precise unfortunately Attached Images

10th October 2016, 09:15 AM	#111
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Hi Willem, I am not sure of the age. The first sewar with akar bahar is currently in my collection and from my observation it has standard and the same features that the sewar sold by Michael Backman supposedly belonged to Acehnese Sultan but mine has a darker patina on its ivory cross guard compared to Michael's. While the other sewar currently belongs to a Teuku residing in Indonesia which is part of his family heirloom.

10th October 2016, 09:20 AM	#112
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Another view of the sewar in my collection Attached Images

10th October 2016, 09:26 AM	#113
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Another sewar with suassa and gold with rather "not so royal looking" sheath. I believe this too is from exhibit in Aceh's museum. Attached Images

12th October 2016, 04:47 AM	#114
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	Looks like the scabbard and sewar were married, not original to each other. Also looks like someone tested the suassa on the bottom of the grip in the bottom photo.

2nd November 2016, 12:44 PM	#115
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Royal sewar that belongs to a Teuku in Aceh as part of their family heirloom. Attached Images

7th November 2016, 12:45 PM	#116
Loedjoe Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Oxford (UK) Posts: 96	In post #90, Asomotif shows us a rencong with a quadruple crown, like the crowns on siwaih (e.g. posts #64, 74, 92). Has anyone come across other rencong with similar quadruple crowns?

8th November 2016, 01:20 PM	#117
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Hello loedjoe, Well noted. this rencong is definately a rencong, but has all the other Siwai features. The suasa ferrule and the quadruppel crowns. I cannot recall a similar example. Maybe someone else does ? Best regards, Willem

8th November 2016, 02:35 PM	#118
Loedjoe Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Oxford (UK) Posts: 96	Many thanks, Willem, for your response. Let us hope others will see my question, and perhaps come up with other examples. (Although, as this rencong is now in my collection, I hope it remains unique!) Best wishes, Tim

8th November 2016, 03:46 PM	#119
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Hello Tim, Congrats! I hope we didn't drove up the price too much back then! Your rencong is certainly special with those 4 rows; it's noteworthy that in this siwaih configuration, usually the 2nd row is quite tall and more rounded as if leaning towards a glupa configuration (usually one large row with more or less rounded tips and tiny indentations at both sides of the tip; and another small row of wide triangles at the base) while the uppermost 2 rows are puco style (triangles with acute tips). Most nobility rencong with "crowns" exhibit the puco configuration while a few have glupa (and yours the siwaih "mix" ). If you go back to Erik's pic at the very beginning of this thread, the rencong with the silver hilt (2nd from right) seems to also lean towards a glupa base with a single puco row on top. Incidentally, the rencong on the right hand side has a similar suassa-covered bolster and also this backward-directed duru seuke (base extension of the blade) which I associate with Gayo rather than Aceh. OTOH, the enamel work in your example seems to suggest an Aceh origin though... Regards, Kai