16th/17th century chain shot - Page 4

kronckew · 8th December 2011, 12:24 AM

found the referenced youtube video today when looking at another video on sword and buckler posted here. around 02:47 into it, they show an example of the 'slow' cannonball effects i mentioned earlier in this thread. kinda gory. whole video is educational. lotsa nice arms, sharp pointy things and things that go boom.

HD Battle of Camden from 'the Patriot' (best at 720p HD & full screen)

edited: today must be cannon day. found this article:

Cannon ball fired thru home

kinda off topic, but does show the odd bounces they can take.

Matchlock · 8th December 2011, 12:46 AM

Very nice video, and rather authentic regarding the guns as well - thanks!

m

broadaxe · 8th December 2011, 08:27 AM

This is a video of a real field experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfsuI...ure=plpp_video
Took me a LOT of time to find it after searching for another footage from a different film I once saw on History channel, similar conditions but targets were ballistic gelatine rather plywood.

broadaxe · 12th December 2011, 10:53 AM

Two months ago I visited the Czech Republic and was very happy to discover a new vast exhibition of arms & armor in the renovated Schwarzenberg Palace. Two chain shots exhibited, one is a rather interesting hybrid.

Matchlock · 13th December 2011, 05:46 PM

Thank you so much for these images - and for the information that the arms museum in the Schwarzenberg Palais has been reopened. I photographed there for hours in 1995.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 13th December 2011, 05:49 PM

Grrrr, double post ...

fernando · 14th December 2011, 11:14 PM

I remembered having seen some of this stuff in the Oporto Military Museum.
... And still they were there today

-

Matchlock · 15th December 2011, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

I remembered having seen some of this stuff in the Oporto Military Museum.
... And still they were there today

-

And that's what they were supposed to be, I guess!

m

Matchlock · 27th February 2012, 05:34 PM

For more on grape shot and canister shot, please see my thread

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...d=1#post134755

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 6th March 2012, 06:01 PM

Labeled as 18th/19th c., from the George F. Harding collection.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 9th March 2012, 05:57 PM

Another.

m

fernando · 9th March 2012, 06:05 PM

Fascinating little specimen ... and in Technicolor

Matchlock · 9th March 2012, 06:20 PM

... and Cinemascope!

M ELEY · 11th March 2012, 06:28 AM

Awesome new info and pics, Michael. Please keep 'em coming!
Mark

Matchlock · 21st March 2012, 05:58 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...253#post136253

VANDOO · 19th April 2012, 05:18 AM

I RAN ACROSS A FEW PICTURES FROM THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR WITH CANNON AND SHOT THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO POST CANNONBALLS.
1. NEATLY STACKED UNION ORDINANCE LIKELY ARSENAL YARD WASHINGTON DC.
2.UNION GUN EMPLACEMENT WITH CANNISTER SHOT.
3.RICHMOND VA. AFTER UNION FORCES WENT THRU REMAINS OF ARSENAL.
MANY MAJOR CITIES IN THE SOUTH LOOKED LIKE THIS AFTER THE WAR MAJOR CITES IN THE NORTH WERE NOT DESTROYED.

Matchlock · 25th April 2012, 04:02 PM

For more on quilted shot, please see

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...225#post138225

Matchlock · 27th April 2012, 09:48 PM

Canister grape shot of 1812:

http://images.ourontario.ca/niagaraf...ums/71962/data

m

fernando · 16th September 2013, 07:14 PM

Chain shot (and not only) pictured last week in the Navy Museum, situated in Torre Del Oro, Seville, Spain.
I looks like the black finishing is original.

.

broadaxe · 16th September 2013, 10:54 PM

What do you think about this item here: http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=5683

Personally, I think it is much too elaborated to be ammunition, and not too heavy to be thrown by hand.

fernando · 16th September 2013, 11:37 PM

Yes, too elaborated to be cannon stuff and about right to be thrown by hand ... by strong guys.
... and too risky to be posted; as still on active sale

.

broadaxe · 16th September 2013, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Yes, too elaborated to be cannon stuff and about right to be thrown by hand ... by strong guys.
... and too risky to be posted; as still on active sale

.

I see no problem - not an auction, the seller is active here and a personal friend. If you check the description you'll see he noted the two speculations (we even discussed it today

).

fernando · 17th September 2013, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadaxe

I see no problem - not an auction, the seller is active here and a personal friend. If you check the description you'll see he noted the two speculations (we even discussed it today

).

Forgive me, Broadaxe

No hard feelings and nothing personal; only the force of habit. I see both sale and auctions with the same binoculars

.

... 1. Discussion of items currently in the process of being offered for sale, especially active auctions, is strictly prohibited...

broadaxe · 17th September 2013, 11:32 AM

No problem, you can delete.

fernando · 17th September 2013, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadaxe

No problem, you can delete.

Oh no, i am not currently a 'deleter'; that was only a hint.

M ELEY · 18th September 2013, 12:49 AM

Well, as long as the pics are still up!

The item in question is very interesting and could be a form of expanding barshot. Its main purpose would have been to slash through lines/ropes in the tops, or as anti-personnel. It is similar to 'star-shot', in that it would have folded up for insertion in the cannon and expanded in flight. It is very elaborate, but then again, many of the Indian suncontinent weapons were. If it is not an artillery shot, I can't say what its purpose would have been?

Fernando, thats for posting that chainshot picture from Saville. I haven't seen too many of the real ones with the chain link directly brazed to the ball itself and the close-up photo was great.

M ELEY · 31st May 2022, 05:48 AM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...310#post272310

8th December 2011, 12:24 AM	#91
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,186	found the referenced youtube video today when looking at another video on sword and buckler posted here. around 02:47 into it, they show an example of the 'slow' cannonball effects i mentioned earlier in this thread. kinda gory. whole video is educational. lotsa nice arms, sharp pointy things and things that go boom. HD Battle of Camden from 'the Patriot' (best at 720p HD & full screen) edited: today must be cannon day. found this article: Cannon ball fired thru home kinda off topic, but does show the odd bounces they can take. Last edited by kronckew; 8th December 2011 at 12:48 AM.

12th December 2011, 10:53 AM	#94
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 332	Two months ago I visited the Czech Republic and was very happy to discover a new vast exhibition of arms & armor in the renovated Schwarzenberg Palace. Two chain shots exhibited, one is a rather interesting hybrid. Attached Images

14th December 2011, 11:14 PM	#97
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I remembered having seen some of this stuff in the Oporto Military Museum. ... And still they were there today - Attached Images

6th March 2012, 06:01 PM	#100
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Grape Shot in The Art Institute of Chicago Labeled as 18th/19th c., from the George F. Harding collection. Best, Michael Attached Images

9th March 2012, 05:57 PM	#101
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Another. m Attached Images

8th December 2011, 12:46 AM	#92
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Very nice video, and rather authentic regarding the guns as well - thanks! m

8th December 2011, 08:27 AM	#93
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 332	This is a video of a real field experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfsuI...ure=plpp_video Took me a LOT of time to find it after searching for another footage from a different film I once saw on History channel, similar conditions but targets were ballistic gelatine rather plywood.

13th December 2011, 05:46 PM	#95
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thank you so much for these images - and for the information that the arms museum in the Schwarzenberg Palais has been reopened. I photographed there for hours in 1995. Best, Michael

13th December 2011, 05:49 PM	#96
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Grrrr, double post ...

27th February 2012, 05:34 PM	#99
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	For more on grape shot and canister shot, please see my thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...d=1#post134755 Best, Michael

9th March 2012, 06:05 PM	#102
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fascinating little specimen ... and in Technicolor

9th March 2012, 06:20 PM	#103
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	... and Cinemascope!

11th March 2012, 06:28 AM	#104
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,101	Awesome new info and pics, Michael. Please keep 'em coming! Mark

21st March 2012, 05:58 PM	#105
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...253#post136253

19th April 2012, 05:18 AM	#106
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I RAN ACROSS A FEW PICTURES FROM THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR WITH CANNON AND SHOT THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO POST CANNONBALLS. 1. NEATLY STACKED UNION ORDINANCE LIKELY ARSENAL YARD WASHINGTON DC. 2.UNION GUN EMPLACEMENT WITH CANNISTER SHOT. 3.RICHMOND VA. AFTER UNION FORCES WENT THRU REMAINS OF ARSENAL. MANY MAJOR CITIES IN THE SOUTH LOOKED LIKE THIS AFTER THE WAR MAJOR CITES IN THE NORTH WERE NOT DESTROYED. Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 19th April 2012 at 05:34 AM.

25th April 2012, 04:02 PM	#107
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	For more on quilted shot, please see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...225#post138225

27th April 2012, 09:48 PM	#108
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Canister grape shot of 1812: http://images.ourontario.ca/niagaraf...ums/71962/data m Attached Images

16th September 2013, 07:14 PM	#109
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Chain shot (and not only) pictured last week in the Navy Museum, situated in Torre Del Oro, Seville, Spain. I looks like the black finishing is original. . Attached Images

16th September 2013, 10:54 PM	#110
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 332	What do you think about this item here: http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=5683 Personally, I think it is much too elaborated to be ammunition, and not too heavy to be thrown by hand.

16th September 2013, 11:37 PM	#111
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Yes, too elaborated to be cannon stuff and about right to be thrown by hand ... by strong guys. ... and too risky to be posted; as still on active sale .

17th September 2013, 11:32 AM	#114
broadaxe Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 332	No problem, you can delete.

18th September 2013, 12:49 AM	#116
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,101	Well, as long as the pics are still up! The item in question is very interesting and could be a form of expanding barshot. Its main purpose would have been to slash through lines/ropes in the tops, or as anti-personnel. It is similar to 'star-shot', in that it would have folded up for insertion in the cannon and expanded in flight. It is very elaborate, but then again, many of the Indian suncontinent weapons were. If it is not an artillery shot, I can't say what its purpose would have been? Fernando, thats for posting that chainshot picture from Saville. I haven't seen too many of the real ones with the chain link directly brazed to the ball itself and the close-up photo was great.

31st May 2022, 05:48 AM	#117
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,101	More on chainshot http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...310#post272310