Balinese Hilt Help Requested - Page 2

tom hyle · 25th May 2005, 12:40 PM

And da Cheech Wizard is looking for dat guy

Face seems awful similar, but the wings, or "wings" resemble those of flying/gliding lizards.

BluErf · 25th May 2005, 03:47 PM

Tuan Cederic, thanks for righting my misconception about that hulu.

Its good to learn more.

I found an online story and another website about Jatayu. He was described as a 60,000 year old vulture king. A noble one too, it seems, died fighting the demon king Ravanna.

http://www.vnn.org/world/WD9901/WD10-2823.html
http://www.mythfolklore.net/india/en...dia/jatayu.htm

Rick · 25th May 2005, 06:56 PM

Another image ;
http://images.exoticindiaart.com/hindu/hc03.jpg

tom hyle · 26th May 2005, 03:49 AM

Cool.
Rick, do you know where, geoculturally, that picture is from? Is it from Indonesia? I see two rather k(e)ris like daggers, and I think one is of a familiar Hindu form (I don't know its name though.....).

RobT · 26th May 2005, 03:55 AM

Thanks again Tuan Cedric for the kayu pelet advice. I agree with you that it's probably the most traditional choice. I will try to hunt up a piece long enough. The demon bird statue (fountain?) you posted has many similarities to my hulu but there is one difference that may be significant. My hulu has a rather prominent set of teeth. Would it be likely that any bird, no matter how demonic, be depicted thus equipped? I know that one of BluErf's posts on this thread show a number of Garudas with teeth but their faces and bodies are more human than birdlike.
Sincerely,
RobT

BluErf · 26th May 2005, 04:20 PM

Thai Garuda sculptures

http://members.tripod.com/~tudtu/garuda.htm

And various other representations of garuda, some are just so human...

By the way, I now know where my source for attributing the hulu from the invincible kris to Garuda came from. If you look at Martin Kerner's book -- Keris Griffe, pg 97 to 98. It described the hilt as an anthropomorphic Garuda with the turtle and elephant as its attribute (not sure correct or not), and the symbols on it's chest showing that it is the 'sun Garuda'. I know this is in conflict with the annotation in the invincible kris which referred to the same hulu as terrifying Devi. Don't know what to say...

26th May 2005, 03:55 AM	#35
RobT Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 494	kayu pelet it is Thanks again Tuan Cedric for the kayu pelet advice. I agree with you that it's probably the most traditional choice. I will try to hunt up a piece long enough. The demon bird statue (fountain?) you posted has many similarities to my hulu but there is one difference that may be significant. My hulu has a rather prominent set of teeth. Would it be likely that any bird, no matter how demonic, be depicted thus equipped? I know that one of BluErf's posts on this thread show a number of Garudas with teeth but their faces and bodies are more human than birdlike. Sincerely, RobT

26th May 2005, 04:20 PM	#36
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Thai Garuda sculptures http://members.tripod.com/~tudtu/garuda.htm And various other representations of garuda, some are just so human... By the way, I now know where my source for attributing the hulu from the invincible kris to Garuda came from. If you look at Martin Kerner's book -- Keris Griffe, pg 97 to 98. It described the hilt as an anthropomorphic Garuda with the turtle and elephant as its attribute (not sure correct or not), and the symbols on it's chest showing that it is the 'sun Garuda'. I know this is in conflict with the annotation in the invincible kris which referred to the same hulu as terrifying Devi. Don't know what to say... Attached Images Last edited by BluErf; 26th May 2005 at 04:55 PM.

25th May 2005, 12:40 PM	#31
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	And da Cheech Wizard is looking for dat guy Face seems awful similar, but the wings, or "wings" resemble those of flying/gliding lizards.

25th May 2005, 03:47 PM	#32
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Tuan Cederic, thanks for righting my misconception about that hulu. Its good to learn more. I found an online story and another website about Jatayu. He was described as a 60,000 year old vulture king. A noble one too, it seems, died fighting the demon king Ravanna. http://www.vnn.org/world/WD9901/WD10-2823.html http://www.mythfolklore.net/india/en...dia/jatayu.htm

25th May 2005, 06:56 PM	#33
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,294	Another image ; http://images.exoticindiaart.com/hindu/hc03.jpg

26th May 2005, 03:49 AM	#34
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Cool. Rick, do you know where, geoculturally, that picture is from? Is it from Indonesia? I see two rather k(e)ris like daggers, and I think one is of a familiar Hindu form (I don't know its name though.....).