Janggelan Hilt

[David]

Well, as someone who seems to be especially prone to pareidolia i also see faces in the vegetal design of these hilts. I suppose it is debatable if these faces are intentional or not, but to me it seems likely that as Islamic restrictions on depicting human form came into play this was the result.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yeah, it is possible to see a face in some of them, and again, yeah, other published sources do call them janggelan.

Personally, I'd like a different name for them, but I've never heard one.

Yes, I also would like a different name for them, personally I see a apparent resemblance to floral putra satu hilts.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Jean

No Sajen, I agree with you, and this is why some (mostly Western) people call them vegetation god... Nice collection by the way!

Thank you Jean! It's a hilt style I like very much.

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by David

I suppose it is debatable if these faces are intentional or not, but to me it seems likely that as Islamic restrictions on depicting human form came into play this was the result.

Agree with you David.

Regards,
Detlef

[Athanase]

Very nice collection Detlef
I love this type of hilt.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Athanase

Very nice collection Detlef
I love this type of hilt.

Thank you Séverin! I have three more in the collection, will post pictures at the weekend.

Regards,
Detlef

[Athanase]

Here is my hilt in this style.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Athanase

Here is my hilt in this style.

Four very nice hilts Séverin!

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Sajen

I have three more in the collection, will post pictures at the weekend.

It was a very long weekend, sorry!

Here the three others which can maybe attributed to the same style!?

[Interested Party]

One always wonder about the history of these pieces. For instance, what happened to the seluts? Were they very nice and sold off at some point or did they simply wear out or get lost because they weren't nice? What kinds of people owned this kind of knife when it was first made? Being from Madura was this a soldier's sidearm?

It looks like there is an occasional face hidden in the vegetation of these.

[Athanase]

Originally Posted by Interested Party

One always wonder about the history of these pieces. For instance, what happened to the seluts? Were they very nice and sold off at some point or did they simply wear out or get lost because they weren't nice? What kinds of people owned this kind of knife when it was first made? Being from Madura was this a soldier's sidearm?

It looks like there is an occasional face hidden in the vegetation of these.

In my head I think of two solutions:
Either the Seluts were in silver y and we were sold at a time when the family needed money.
Either they were damaged during disassembly for the ritual cleaning of the blade and once too damaged they were removed.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Interested Party

One always wonder about the history of these pieces. For instance, what happened to the seluts? Were they very nice and sold off at some point or did they simply wear out or get lost because they weren't nice?

Agree with the statement from Séverin, look for example to the one from him where the selut is still present.

Originally Posted by Interested Party

looks like there is an occasional face hidden in the vegetation of these.

Yes, like mentioned before!