Period Photos of People with Ethnographic Arms

[Tatyana Dianova]

Yuhym Bozhko has organized in 1918 the volunteer "Zaporozhian Sich" Division which became a part of the armee of the People’s Republic of Ukraine and was fighting with Russian Red Armee.

Russian link in Wiki:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91...84%D0%B8%D0%BC

Ukrainian link in Wiki:
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91...85%D0%B8%D0%BC

[gp]

interesting : a Scandinavian site mentions him in 1756 as a leader.
Gues 2 different men with the same name, centuries separate..

https://mewikisv.com/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%...BD%D1%96%D0%B2

[gp]

a picture of an Austrian gent during WWI in 1915.
Remarkable to me is the weapon he is posing with:
a long Werndl bayonet .

You would expect a special knife ( like the Ottoman bichaq or Indonesian Kris) but a bayonet on a picture like this ? I never saw before. Even if it was a long one like this.

[gp]

and a few pics from different folks, yet in a region close to eachother; Albanian, Dalmatia, Herzegovina, Bosnia, Montenegro between 1860 -1910

[gp]

and not to make it a male dominated issue, hereby some women who we need to show some respect....

2 ladies from Armenia, 1895 during the 1895 Hamidian massacres, the Armenians of Zeitun (modern Süleymanlı), took up arms to defend themselves against the Ottomans

Next a lady from the Balkans ( Herzegowina around 1878)

followd by an Albanian lady from 1924 and a second Albanian lady with her spousse a little earlier ( most likely 1910-1920)

[gp]

an Armenian Gentleman , picture taken in 1908

[gp]

an Egyptian foto from around 1900

[mahratt]

Mullah Abdugafur Mirza Raim Khodjaev.
Volost administrator of the Namangan district, an administrative-territorial unit of the Fergana region of the Turkestan Governor-General. 1913.
With Bukhara shashka on the belt.

After the inclusion of Turkestan into the Russian Empire, the Russian government retained the existing system of self-government of the native people. It was based on the management of rural and urban quarter communities by elders. Among the Muslim population, such elders were called aksakals (oқsokol - literally "white beard" in Uzbek). Such a structure was close to that which existed in Russia, where from the 16th century elders were elected to manage small administrative-territorial units and public groups. Therefore, the Central Asian form of self-government turned out to be familiar to the Russian administration.
The population of Turkestan in each county was divided into volosts. The volost administrators were at the head of the volosts
The elections of the volost administrator were two-stage, first a village gathering was held, at which one elective was elected from 50 home ownership. Then the elected representatives of rural societies gathered at the volost congress, which was held in the presence of representatives of the Russian administration. As a rule, it was the county chief or his assistant, who observed the order, while not interfering in the course of the elections itself. The volost congress was considered invalid if it was attended by less than 2/3 of the total number of elected.
Police and administrative power was concentrated in the hands of the volost administrator. He was responsible for maintaining general order and tranquility.

[cyten]

Azerbaijanis

[David R]

Originally Posted by gp

a picture of an Austrian gent during WWI in 1915.
Remarkable to me is the weapon he is posing with:
a long Werndl bayonet .

You would expect a special knife ( like the Ottoman bichaq or Indonesian Kris) but a bayonet on a picture like this ? I never saw before. Even if it was a long one like this.

Could be a studio prop! I remember a weird story about Austro-Hungarian photos from this era, Travelling salesmen sold the country girls pics of their loved one in the army.. They had two images, with a moustache, and without but the girls accepted these as a true likeness.

[Ren Ren]

Originally Posted by David R

They had two images, with a moustache, and without but the girls accepted these as a true likeness.

Very nice detail! Thank you, David!

[gp]

although the nickname of the Moroccan Footbal Team is Lions of the Atlas, here some pictures of the real Lions who ruled the Atlas / Riff mountains some hundred years and more ago and were not to be messed with ...( as the Spanish can confirm)

[David]

I am surprised you created a new thread for these, and in the Miscellaneous Forum. Wouldn't these be better placed in THIS thread?
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15325

[gp]

Originally Posted by David

I am surprised you created a new thread for these, and in the Miscellaneous Forum. Wouldn't these be better placed in THIS thread?
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15325

I am surpised none of the mods didn't mention it 21st June 2020, when I created it when I just became a member ...
and wasn't aware about all these threads...☼☼☼
reason to continue it was to have all my Moroccan pics in one place, but you can easily transfer it to the link; no problem!

Question: what do you think about the pics? do you like them ?

[David]

Originally Posted by gp

I am surpised none of the mods didn't mention it 21st June 2020, when I created it when I just became a member ...
and wasn't aware about all these threads...☼☼☼
reason to continue it was to have all my Moroccan pics in one place, but you can easily transfer it to the link; no problem!

Question: what do you think about the pics? do you like them ?

Yes, the photos are awesome. This thread could be merged with the other, but the Ethno Forum isn't my section. Maybe one of their Mods will think it is a good idea. Maybe not. Either way this thread seems to be focussed on the weapons so it probably does not belong in Miscellaneous at any rate. Not my call though.

[fernando]

Threads merged ... as it makes sense .

[gp]

man from Mingrelia (now part of Georgia), early 1900

[fernando]

Bornu warriors ... undated.



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[cyten]

Albanians from Iballja with Peabody-Martini and the boy with miquelet Zlatka pistol, 1905

[mahratt]

Afghans. Ishak Khan with his son, generals and adjutants. The photo was taken in Samarkand in the 1890s.

[shayde78]

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[mahratt]

Russian officer with Caucasian dagger Bebut

[kronckew]

Looks like a shasqua on his left side.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by kronckew

Looks like a shasqua on his left side.

Yes, of course you are right. You are very observant. Bravo. I did not focus on this, since the shashka is poorly visible.

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by mahratt

Yes, of course you are right. You are very observant. Bravo. I did not focus on this, since the shashka is poorly visible.

I noticed the suspension staple on the side of scabbard.

[gp]

I always have been fascinated by the old Silk route ( a nice book on that topic is by Peter Frankopan),
and specially the region from China to what was called in those days Turkestan ;
the region around Samarkand...
when I stumbled on a publication by Svetlana Gorshenina with these 2 nice pictures included.
Not my specialty so looking forward to contributions of members with knowledge.
I for sure like the dagger in the gent's belt ...!

[cyten]

Caucasian man and his Kindjal

[Norman McCormick]

Hi,
Plate from The Country of Balochistan by Albert William Hughes 1877.
Regards,
Norman.

[gp]

2 pics from Albanians, one from the Dibër / Dibra region 1904 and the other of the Skreli clan in 1890

[gp]

some called them brigands, others freedom fighters: they called themselves komitadzis

fierce men from Makedonia ( a region presently stretched over several countries, hence the geo-political sensetivity still till the present day)
who fought first the Ottomans and later any one threathening the freedom of their country.

Pictures dated between 1885 - 1920