Period Photos of People with Ethnographic Arms - Page 11

David · 31st March 2020, 05:15 PM

Here and there....

David · 31st March 2020, 05:20 PM

Sulawesi, Jawa, Bali and more...

fernando · 31st March 2020, 07:54 PM

Pity there were no photographers in the 16th century, David; but there were painters and chroniclers to leave us images ... and history

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By the way ...

It is admittable that, the Javanese features & attire as in the watercolor executed by a naive artist of the period, do not correspond as whole to reality but, the use and purpose of the keris is as precise as described by Tomé Pires (1465-1540) and Fernão Lopes de Castanheda (1500-1559)

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Yvain · 24th April 2020, 05:58 PM

I was searching cameroonese pictures for something completely different, but I thought those might still be interesting.

-"Kirdi musician", dagger, Far North Cameroon - Mayo-Sava - Mora, 1931 - 1933 (http://www.quaibranly.fr/fr/explorer...kirdi/page/25/)

-"Funerals of Muktele man", dagger, Far North Cameroon - Mandara, 1968 (http://www.quaibranly.fr/fr/explorer...ktele/page/11/)

-"Ironmonger stall", newly made daggers, Far North Cameroon - Mayo Sava - Mayo Plata, november 1982 (http://www.quaibranly.fr/fr/explorer...iller/page/44/)

Mercenary · 24th May 2020, 07:39 PM

Odisha. 1920s. Head teacher

kronckew · 24th May 2020, 07:50 PM

Must be a rough school if he carries a talwar...

cyten · 29th May 2020, 06:27 PM

Ossetian man equipped with Miquelet rifle, Shashka, LARGEST Kindjal I've ever seen, and holstered pistol

cyten · 29th May 2020, 06:36 PM

Caucasian Crimean War Veterans with the usual Kindjal & Miquelet as well as M1843 Luttich Carbine and what looks like some kind of Artillery Foot Sword

kronckew · 29th May 2020, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyten

Ossetian man equipped with Miquelet rifle, Shashka, LARGEST Kindjal I've ever seen, and holstered pistol

Always thought they were the descendants of the Gladius, that one is more like a spatha

cyten · 9th June 2020, 09:48 PM

Bulgarian man with shishane and yataghan

Tim Simmons · 10th June 2020, 03:51 PM

Wayana. Kalina.

gp · 21st June 2020, 11:47 AM

enclosed some pictures from Magrebi warriors and soldiers.

kahnjar1 · 30th June 2020, 08:18 AM

A few more.........including a couple of the local attempt at a Space Program

Stu

francantolin · 30th June 2020, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

A few more.........including a couple of the local attempt at a Space Program

Stu

Thank you for sharing these pictures !!!

I wonder why this man is so angry with his carpet ?

gp · 30th June 2020, 11:07 PM

he's not a Magrebian but from the Levant. But I shall post some more pics from Magreb warriors ans soldiers, both Arab and Amazigh

gp · 2nd July 2020, 12:57 PM

as promised, pictures between 1900-1940 ( most around 1920) of soldiers of the Sultan but also tribesmen from the North and South who were battling the Sultan's forces as well as the French ( "tiens, voilà du boudin..." ) and Spanish who all didn't always enjoy their stay at the territory of these men ( Morocco as we know it now with its present borders, is a very young ...) and meeting these gents uninvited was no pleasure at all to say the least. The Romans already found that out very quickly...

Especially the Riffians were severe opponents not to mess with ; over 20 tribes of which the Aith Waryagher (Aith Ouariaghel) from the Nort-East Morocco and North-West Algeria were very fierce fighters. Supposedly their name means "those who do not retreat "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rif_War

gp · 2nd July 2020, 12:59 PM

a few more

gp · 2nd July 2020, 01:00 PM

still some 2 come...

gp · 2nd July 2020, 01:02 PM

the last batch for now

cyten · 7th March 2021, 08:17 PM

Greek with Shishane & Yataghan
Armenian with Coral studded Pala

dat_man · 20th June 2021, 07:46 PM

Here are some photos from the caucasus

1- ossetians
2- circassian with pretty large kindjal and a shashka
3- men from daghistan
4- daghistani man with wife and son, he got a nice kindjal too
5- chechens

Ren Ren · 11th August 2021, 03:18 PM

Central Vietnam, presumably Darlak plateau

gp · 4th September 2021, 09:23 PM

next to the above pics from my Magrebian collection, a few from the most bravest and fiercest warriors : the Ait Waryaghar of the Moroccan Rif who massacred the Spanish army in the Rif and also made the French pay a very heavy price in 3 wars.

cyten · 27th September 2021, 04:02 PM

Khevsur with miquelet, saber and chainmail

kronckew · 27th September 2021, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyten

Khevsur with miquelet, saber and chainmail

...and a nice small buckler!

Excellent photo!

dat_man · 27th September 2021, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyten

Khevsur with miquelet, saber and chainmail

There are many problems with this photo:

1- the so called "four mirrors" armour over the mail which wasn't used by khevsur as far as we are aware

2- the saber Eastern georgian not khevsur

3-the the man is georgian but not not khevsur, he is a collector from from the soviet era here is an article about him:
https://museum.ge/index.php?lang_id=...&info_id=15740

Never the less it is a nice photo and shows some nice original weapons, but not a proper representation of khevsurs

ariel · 28th September 2021, 03:49 AM

There is one staged photo after another, in the one above there are multiple ethnic inconsistencies, the two pics of Ossetian men on this page seem to be wearing the same kindjal.
And there is even one picture from Odisha ( Orissa), but.... no khanjarli.

Studio photographs were heavily staged, and their validity as reflecting reality is severely compromised.

Ian · 29th September 2021, 02:39 AM

dat_man,

Thanks for your information about that "fake" photo.

Ariel,

These photos are what they are. I think we are all aware of some of the limitations of studio portraits. It's good to be reminded from time to time. Let's move on ...

cyten · 1st October 2021, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dat_man

the man is georgian but not not khevsur, he is a collector from from the soviet era here is an article about him:
https://museum.ge/index.php?lang_id=...&info_id=15740

very interesting, thanks for the article

Ren Ren · 20th October 2021, 07:23 PM

Probably Annam.
It's a shame that the background is retouched.

31st March 2020, 05:15 PM	#301
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,162	Here and there.... Attached Images

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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,162	Sulawesi, Jawa, Bali and more... Attached Images

31st March 2020, 07:54 PM	#303
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	No photos available but, instead... Pity there were no photographers in the 16th century, David; but there were painters and chroniclers to leave us images ... and history . By the way ... It is admittable that, the Javanese features & attire as in the watercolor executed by a naive artist of the period, do not correspond as whole to reality but, the use and purpose of the keris is as precise as described by Tomé Pires (1465-1540) and Fernão Lopes de Castanheda (1500-1559) . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 11th August 2021 at 03:54 PM.

24th April 2020, 05:58 PM	#304
Yvain Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: France Posts: 178	I was searching cameroonese pictures for something completely different, but I thought those might still be interesting. -"Kirdi musician", dagger, Far North Cameroon - Mayo-Sava - Mora, 1931 - 1933 (http://www.quaibranly.fr/fr/explorer...kirdi/page/25/) -"Funerals of Muktele man", dagger, Far North Cameroon - Mandara, 1968 (http://www.quaibranly.fr/fr/explorer...ktele/page/11/) -"Ironmonger stall", newly made daggers, Far North Cameroon - Mayo Sava - Mayo Plata, november 1982 (http://www.quaibranly.fr/fr/explorer...iller/page/44/) Attached Images

24th May 2020, 07:39 PM	#305
Mercenary Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 421	Odisha. 1920s. Head teacher Attached Images

24th May 2020, 07:50 PM	#306
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,190	Must be a rough school if he carries a talwar...

29th May 2020, 06:27 PM	#307
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 93	Ossetian man equipped with Miquelet rifle, Shashka, LARGEST Kindjal I've ever seen, and holstered pistol Attached Images

29th May 2020, 06:36 PM	#308
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 93	Caucasian Crimean War Veterans with the usual Kindjal & Miquelet as well as M1843 Luttich Carbine and what looks like some kind of Artillery Foot Sword Attached Images

9th June 2020, 09:48 PM	#310
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 93	Bulgarian man with shishane and yataghan Attached Images

10th June 2020, 03:51 PM	#311
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,812	French Guiana 1892 Wayana. Kalina. Attached Images

21st June 2020, 11:47 AM	#312
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 772	Magrebi pictures enclosed some pictures from Magrebi warriors and soldiers. Attached Images

30th June 2020, 08:18 AM	#313
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,742	A few more.........including a couple of the local attempt at a Space Program Stu Attached Images

30th June 2020, 11:07 PM	#315
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 772	he's not a Magrebian but from the Levant. But I shall post some more pics from Magreb warriors ans soldiers, both Arab and Amazigh Last edited by gp; 30th June 2020 at 11:23 PM.

2nd July 2020, 12:57 PM	#316
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 772	as promised, pictures between 1900-1940 ( most around 1920) of soldiers of the Sultan but also tribesmen from the North and South who were battling the Sultan's forces as well as the French ( "tiens, voilà du boudin..." ) and Spanish who all didn't always enjoy their stay at the territory of these men ( Morocco as we know it now with its present borders, is a very young ...) and meeting these gents uninvited was no pleasure at all to say the least. The Romans already found that out very quickly... Especially the Riffians were severe opponents not to mess with ; over 20 tribes of which the Aith Waryagher (Aith Ouariaghel) from the Nort-East Morocco and North-West Algeria were very fierce fighters. Supposedly their name means "those who do not retreat " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rif_War Attached Images Last edited by gp; 2nd July 2020 at 07:52 PM.

2nd July 2020, 12:59 PM	#317
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 772	a few more Attached Images

2nd July 2020, 01:00 PM	#318
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 772	still some 2 come... Attached Images

2nd July 2020, 01:02 PM	#319
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 772	the last batch for now Attached Images

7th March 2021, 08:17 PM	#320
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 93	Greek with Shishane & Yataghan Armenian with Coral studded Pala Attached Images

20th June 2021, 07:46 PM	#321
dat_man Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 16	Here are some photos from the caucasus 1- ossetians 2- circassian with pretty large kindjal and a shashka 3- men from daghistan 4- daghistani man with wife and son, he got a nice kindjal too 5- chechens Attached Images

11th August 2021, 03:18 PM	#322
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 374	Central Vietnam, presumably Darlak plateau Attached Images

4th September 2021, 09:23 PM	#323
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 772	next to the above pics from my Magrebian collection, a few from the most bravest and fiercest warriors : the Ait Waryaghar of the Moroccan Rif who massacred the Spanish army in the Rif and also made the French pay a very heavy price in 3 wars. Attached Images

27th September 2021, 04:02 PM	#324
cyten Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Caucasus Posts: 93	Khevsur with miquelet, saber and chainmail Attached Images

28th September 2021, 03:49 AM	#327
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There is one staged photo after another, in the one above there are multiple ethnic inconsistencies, the two pics of Ossetian men on this page seem to be wearing the same kindjal. And there is even one picture from Odisha ( Orissa), but.... no khanjarli. Studio photographs were heavily staged, and their validity as reflecting reality is severely compromised.

29th September 2021, 02:39 AM	#328
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,253	dat_man, Thanks for your information about that "fake" photo. Ariel, These photos are what they are. I think we are all aware of some of the limitations of studio portraits. It's good to be reminded from time to time. Let's move on ...

20th October 2021, 07:23 PM	#330
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 374	Probably Annam. It's a shame that the background is retouched. Attached Images