A couple of daggers

Ed · 6th April 2010, 12:43 AM

We picked these up at an antique arms show and came across these daggers. They appealed greatly to my son so I picked them up. This is out of my area so I'd appreciate any thoughts that you might have.

Here is the other one

Thank you.

Gavin Nugent · 6th April 2010, 12:57 AM

ED? Who is this mysterious ED fellow

Welcome back to the pages ;-)

Nice new looking indian daggers.

Gav

Atlantia · 6th April 2010, 01:02 AM

Hi Ed,
As Gav says, these are newly made, but rather nice.

Battara · 6th April 2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Ed,
As Gav says, these are newly made, but rather nice.

I agree with Alantia, these are newly made. The koftgari is the newer type and the damascus is the newer stuff that is coming out of India nowadays.

Ed · 6th April 2010, 02:10 AM

"New" as in, like, yesterday or a bit older than that?

Battara · 6th April 2010, 04:09 AM

New as in last year I'm afraid.

ThePepperSkull · 6th April 2010, 06:35 AM

I have always been enthusiastic about the koftgari work of today, but the pattern welding that apprears on the blades is something I am less enthused about.

Also, just for knowledge sake, the steel on these mewer made ones are generally softer than what would be seemed safe for actual combat or other practical use -- generally with a hardness of 40 HRC. Many blades considered useable are in between 50 and 60.

Still, you have a piece with some great looking koftgari/inlay work!

ALEX · 6th April 2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed

"New" as in, like, yesterday or a bit older than that?

Hi Ed. The age for these items is irrelevant in my opinion. A year, five or a day is meaningless as these are souvenirs, not "real" weapons.
There are several artists selling them directly from India via eBay, with similar if not better quality. Sandeep is one of them and also a Forum member, and a great koftgari master.
P.S. hope you did not buy them as "antiques" as you mentioned you bought them on antique arms show.

Ed · 6th April 2010, 01:50 PM

Not antiques, just thinking that they were not yesterday.

The reason was simple: my son grabbed me and waxed ecstatic about them. I really never heard him go on about the beauty of an object before. Being an old behaviorist, I promptly reinforced his behavior.

So, as you can see, it really does not matter. They are attractive things and have weaned my son off of "Red Dragon Super Knife" type products.

6th April 2010, 12:43 AM	#1
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	A couple of daggers We picked these up at an antique arms show and came across these daggers. They appealed greatly to my son so I picked them up. This is out of my area so I'd appreciate any thoughts that you might have. Here is the other one Thank you.

6th April 2010, 12:57 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	ED? Who is this mysterious ED fellow Welcome back to the pages ;-) Nice new looking indian daggers. Gav

6th April 2010, 01:02 AM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Ed, As Gav says, these are newly made, but rather nice.

6th April 2010, 02:10 AM	#5
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	"New" as in, like, yesterday or a bit older than that?

6th April 2010, 04:09 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,229	New as in last year I'm afraid.

6th April 2010, 06:35 AM	#7
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	I have always been enthusiastic about the koftgari work of today, but the pattern welding that apprears on the blades is something I am less enthused about. Also, just for knowledge sake, the steel on these mewer made ones are generally softer than what would be seemed safe for actual combat or other practical use -- generally with a hardness of 40 HRC. Many blades considered useable are in between 50 and 60. Still, you have a piece with some great looking koftgari/inlay work!

6th April 2010, 01:50 PM	#9
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	Not antiques, just thinking that they were not yesterday. The reason was simple: my son grabbed me and waxed ecstatic about them. I really never heard him go on about the beauty of an object before. Being an old behaviorist, I promptly reinforced his behavior. So, as you can see, it really does not matter. They are attractive things and have weaned my son off of "Red Dragon Super Knife" type products.