9th February 2010, 12:10 AM | #1 |
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Keris help for the uninitiated please
Hello Keris forum.
Firstly let me say that this is a bit of a departure for me as I have virtually no knowledge of these things. This Keris belongs to a dear friend of mine and I have told him that I will try and help him research it by asking you (the experts) about it. In my very limited experience, it is rather long with a 23.5" blade. Please, any information gladly and gratefully received. Sorry, let me just add that you will have to keep it simple for me, I'm not familiar with the terminology of these articles. |
9th February 2010, 12:56 AM | #2 |
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Hello Gene,
That's a Keris Panjang (a search will bring up tons of info) with a nice Sumatran blade. Here's a thread which discusses the use of the Jawa Deman hilt with this type of keris. I'd guess that this example also comes from the Melakka Strait area, probably Riau. Regards, Kai |
9th February 2010, 02:24 AM | #3 |
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Nice piece
Nice piece Gene,
I too am enjoying the learning of these blades, very interesting regions and very interesting pieces.. Is the dorsal peak still present on the hilt? The image angle does not seem to show it. Also, I do not know if it just a camera flash or something but it seems like there is a white plug in the base of the blade??? Gav |
9th February 2010, 10:42 PM | #4 | |
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Hi Kai, Thanks for helping. I'm completely unfamiliar with the subtlety and terminology of these weapons. So I might be about to ask some 'obvious' questions Right, so this type of Garuda hilt is called a 'Jawa Deman'? What does that mean? The abnormally long blade makes it a 'panjang'? Are they just for show, for executions, or genuine weapons? And it was made in Riau! Any way of determining age of the blade? Many Thanks Gene |
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9th February 2010, 10:44 PM | #5 | |
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Yeah, its a good thing for sure, nice slender blade! He didn't leave it with me, but as far as I can remember there is no dorsal peak on the head. The blade has had some brasso used on it at some stage, which has collected in the crevaces on the upper part of the blade and especially in that circular indentation that you cas see. Thanks Gene |
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9th February 2010, 11:14 PM | #6 |
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Well, i'd tell your friend to stop using Brasso on his blade.
Panjang at know, yes, for it's long length, but also for this particular style of features. These are indeed the blades that are referred to as "executioner keris", but this does not mean that this or any other pajang you see was necessarily used in that manner. AFAIK the panjang is a status keris so perhaps those who had the status to wear them also had the authority to execute. Maybe someone can clear that up for us. Jawa Deman roughly means the fevered Javanese and is a reference to what appears to be a representation of a figure, perhaps double over in illness. I am not convinced that this hilt was ever intended to represent Garuda, though i have heard it referred to as such. Your friend's seems to have some age to it and while i think it's pretty impossible to put and actual age on this i'd say that it is probably late 19th - early 20th century. |
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LOL, He's only just bought it, thankfully he knows better than that. Brasso, the curse of the 1970s for anything made of metal! Thanks for all the extra info. |
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Anyhow, this panjang does have a Riau-ish feel, but maybe not quite. The blade reminds me of my panjang from Melaka, though the sheath is just a simple sari bulan (cresent moon), not like this with the clipped daun ends (the 2 protruding ends at the top of sheath). |
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10th February 2010, 07:59 PM | #9 |
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Hello all,
The term keris Panjang as beeing a executioner keris, is bit overrated...only few real execution known by using that weapon sort..It just means long keris. The intention of making the longer keris types is a reaction on the portugese with their rapiers. Some even call the longer keris rapier keris. It is hold in hand same like other keris, but in technique bit difrent. I even seen a photo of a batak sjamaan holding a keris panjang. i dont know if there is a link between a bahari keris and panjang, and there is an other longer version of keris. But i cant recall the name, its bit linked to bahari keris, maybe one of the other know of what name im talking about.. regards |
11th February 2010, 01:01 PM | #10 |
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I thought the rapier explanation was a myth?
I don't think the keris panjang was meant to be an execution tool first and foremost. I think the keris panjang is a symbol of authority, much like the sceptre in the European context. The keris panjang is as likely to be used in a fight as a king's sceptre is used in combat, I believe. |
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Btw, I checked with Dave, and he thinks this keris panjang is definitely peninsula, due to the embellishment on the sheath, and the squarish buntut. However, it is quite difficult to tell which Malayan state it came from, though kelantan and Terengganu are possible candidates.
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15th February 2010, 12:48 AM | #13 |
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HI all,
My friend sends his sincere thanks, I will try and assimilate the latest info and summarise for him. Thank you all so much. This is a big learning curve for me as a total newbie to the intricacies of Kerises! |
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