Wood Daggers

chregu · 2nd February 2010, 09:33 PM

One question: who knows where wood daggers uset, and from where they could be. How old they are ? all from the same Wood
gruss chregu

Dimasalang · 3rd February 2010, 02:57 AM

That looks like wood from a palm tree. In the Philippines we have something similar called "Bahi", which is made from the heart of a type of palm tree. If you look at the very end, all you see are dots...these are the ends of the fibers(you can see this in the second pic you posted). The more darker and fiberis, the denser and stronger the wood is. As I said, the best section is the heart(which is the middle and bottom of the palm, this is the densest and strongest area of the tree. If the wood goes from dark to light with less fibers, then you are getting the wood that is on the outer shell of the heart, which is less desirable. In the olden days, Eskrimadors(Filipino Martial Artists) made sticks out of this wood and used them in death matchs. They are extremely strong, but also very heavy. But I also know the Philippine culture weren't the only ones to use palm tree wood.

chregu · 3rd February 2010, 08:39 AM

hello Dimasalang
Thanks for the detailed description.
When I bought the daggers, (there are only two with the colored thread) they told me that they were from Central or South America. then there are also palm trees. If you are the botanical name of the palm, the one on the Philippines could be to find out, I would be grateful to you.
with friendly greetings chregu

VANDOO · 3rd February 2010, 09:39 PM

THIS SORT OF WOODEN DAGGER WAS USED THRUOUT POLYNESIA AS WELL AS IN SOUTH AMERICA. THEY MAY STILL BE USED IN NEW GUINEA AND PARTS OF SOUTH AMERICA WHERE SOME TRIBES STILL LIVE IN A VERY PRIMATIVE WAY. I HAVE HEARD THIS TYPE OF WOOD REFERRED TO AS BLACK PALM BUT DON'T KNOW THE SCIENTIFIC NAME. I HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN THE SAME FORM AS THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE THAT ARE FROM MICRONESIA BUT ARE OF A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WOOD.
I HAVE A CLUB SIMULAR TO THE ONE YOU HAVE WITHOUT THE COLORFUL STRING BINDINGS. MINE IS FROM BRAZIL ,MATO GROSSO STATE, TXICAO TRIBE. THE TXICAO ARE DECENDED FROM THE KARIB LINGUISTIC FAMILY.

Dimasalang · 4th February 2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chregu

hello Dimasalang
Thanks for the detailed description.
When I bought the daggers, (there are only two with the colored thread) they told me that they were from Central or South America. then there are also palm trees. If you are the botanical name of the palm, the one on the Philippines could be to find out, I would be grateful to you.
with friendly greetings chregu

There are two main palms in the Philippines that are now defined as "Bahi" wood. The coco palm and the Anahaw. The coco palm is mass produced and is now passed off as BAHI for the main market...most sellers will say, yes it is Anahaw just to get you to buy it. Anahaw bahi wood is more rare, more authentic, and said to be more stronger...in other words, the real deal. From what my wife says, the Anahaw palm is not a large palm tree either. I have a Kamagong stick and Bahi stick that are the same exact size, and the bahi stick is heavier and feels just as dense.

http://en.wikipilipinas.org/index.ph...a_rotundifolia

Like I mentioned, Philippines I know for a fact aren't the only ones who used palm tree wood. What is interesting, for some reason palm wood is getting popular here in the US now, I would guess because of the decorative different look it gives off...but I read it is also very hard to work with. The supply is coming from South America and they are calling it Black Palm and Red Palm. I notice the grains/fibers are not as tight as what I see coming from the Philippines...so I doubt they are more dense and stronger, and possibly more comparable to the Philippines coco bahi palm wood.

2nd February 2010, 09:33 PM	#1
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3rd February 2010, 02:57 AM	#2
Dimasalang Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 264	That looks like wood from a palm tree. In the Philippines we have something similar called "Bahi", which is made from the heart of a type of palm tree. If you look at the very end, all you see are dots...these are the ends of the fibers(you can see this in the second pic you posted). The more darker and fiberis, the denser and stronger the wood is. As I said, the best section is the heart(which is the middle and bottom of the palm, this is the densest and strongest area of the tree. If the wood goes from dark to light with less fibers, then you are getting the wood that is on the outer shell of the heart, which is less desirable. In the olden days, Eskrimadors(Filipino Martial Artists) made sticks out of this wood and used them in death matchs. They are extremely strong, but also very heavy. But I also know the Philippine culture weren't the only ones to use palm tree wood.

3rd February 2010, 08:39 AM	#3
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	hello Dimasalang Thanks for the detailed description. When I bought the daggers, (there are only two with the colored thread) they told me that they were from Central or South America. then there are also palm trees. If you are the botanical name of the palm, the one on the Philippines could be to find out, I would be grateful to you. with friendly greetings chregu

3rd February 2010, 09:39 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THIS SORT OF WOODEN DAGGER WAS USED THRUOUT POLYNESIA AS WELL AS IN SOUTH AMERICA. THEY MAY STILL BE USED IN NEW GUINEA AND PARTS OF SOUTH AMERICA WHERE SOME TRIBES STILL LIVE IN A VERY PRIMATIVE WAY. I HAVE HEARD THIS TYPE OF WOOD REFERRED TO AS BLACK PALM BUT DON'T KNOW THE SCIENTIFIC NAME. I HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN THE SAME FORM AS THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PICTURE THAT ARE FROM MICRONESIA BUT ARE OF A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WOOD. I HAVE A CLUB SIMULAR TO THE ONE YOU HAVE WITHOUT THE COLORFUL STRING BINDINGS. MINE IS FROM BRAZIL ,MATO GROSSO STATE, TXICAO TRIBE. THE TXICAO ARE DECENDED FROM THE KARIB LINGUISTIC FAMILY.