Ethics and Policies

kai · 25th November 2009, 09:38 PM

Hello Alan,

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I can understand David's stance that what happens outside the bounds of this site are not the concern of the people who regulate activity on this site. In fact, this was my own attitude at the outset of this discussion, however I am no longer certain that this attitude is the desireable one. It is certainly the most simple attitude to adopt, but I do have a problem with covert dealers extracting information to use in a sales pitch in another place.

Yes, I agree that asking and communicating with members may help to minimize unwanted exploitation of the community.

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Ward has already pointed this out and said that it is the reason he no longer posts comment very often.

Yes, and he's certainly not alone: There are several recent examples of threads which suffer from less-than-usual feedback obviously due to the perceived intention of fishing for information.

Regards,
Kai

Naga Sasra · 26th November 2009, 03:46 AM

A large part of the problem is how to identify sellers, and yet keep it simple Alan had a good suggestion: Just ask them!

I also think that perhaps it would be prudent to develop a line of pertinant questions which have to be answered as people register to join the forum, and with this perhaps stop potentially new members from abusing the rules.

As it is presently, all a new prospective member have to do is to select a username, password and email address.

Perhaps a format that include a form with questions to the prospective member is in order. One of those questions of cause would be, Are you a dealer? yes__ no__, Do you regularly deal in edged weapons? yes__ no__ , Are you a collector of edged weapons who only deal in order to enhance your own collection?yes__ no__, etc. etc. etc. etc.

It is my belief that prevention is a powerful tool, and if the questionere is molded correctly, a great deal of the existing problems could be avoided.

Just a suggestion

Naga Sasra · 26th November 2009, 03:58 AM

Since I am thinking out of the box, so to speak. I was also thinking even though I don't really know if this would be possible at all.

If there were a way to change the program, so after a prospective member have identified themselves as dealers give them a password that would only access the Swap Forum.

That would certainly assure the continued posting of material in the Swap Forum, and at the same time prevent the dealers from stealing listing materiel for use in other venues.

David · 26th November 2009, 02:51 PM

Well let's try this. I would hope that a good number of the Warung membership is currently monitoring this thread, especially the dealers. Sooooo, if you regularly deal in keris and related edged weapons, step up to the plate and tell us straight out. Seriously, who is a dealer out there? Yes, i probably already know, but i'd like to here it from you. Even if dealing is just a part-time thing for you or a collector who regularly turns weapons around for profit, you should declare that. Now's the time to let it officially be know.

Spunjer · 26th November 2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Well let's try this. I would hope that a good number of the Warung membership is currently monitoring this thread, especially the dealers. Sooooo, if you regularly deal in keris and related edged weapons, step up to the plate and tell us straight out. Seriously, who is a dealer out there? Yes, i probably already know, but i'd like to here it from you. Even if dealing is just a part-time thing for you or a collector who regularly turns weapons around for profit, you should declare that. Now's the time to let it officially be know.

david, i think you should start a new thread on this...

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I do not post in the keris forum,but I do in the other forums. I am a dealer and a collector for many years, but I do not post items that I am going to sell in the discussion forums only items that are from my personal collection. The use of the forum as a catalog or as a sales advertisement has been happening with more frequencey the last few years. The result being that I do not respond to post very often any more. Why should I do a dealers research for him ?

BINGO!

ward · 26th November 2009, 08:01 PM

It is no secret that I am a dealer and never has been so I do not understand the Bingo.

David · 26th November 2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ward

It is no secret that I am a dealer and never has been so I do not understand the Bingo.

I don't want to speak for Ron, but i think the spirit of his "bingo" was a resounding agreement of what you have said, not an accusation. I believe he was responding more to the last few comments than your admission that you are a dealer. I am sure Ron will correct me if i am wrong.

Spunjer · 26th November 2009, 08:12 PM

i should've narrowed the quote. i was referring to the last sentence of your post

Rick · 26th November 2009, 02:52 PM

Thank you all and keep the ideas coming .
I have contacted Lee about the forum software's capabilities; when I have a better idea of what can be altered we will proceed .

We must remember; we are not discussing Vikingsword's Site policy for the other forums or members .

Just the Warung .

26th November 2009, 02:51 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,101	OK, DEALERS DECLARE YOURSELVES! Well let's try this. I would hope that a good number of the Warung membership is currently monitoring this thread, especially the dealers. Sooooo, if you regularly deal in keris and related edged weapons, step up to the plate and tell us straight out. Seriously, who is a dealer out there? Yes, i probably already know, but i'd like to here it from you. Even if dealing is just a part-time thing for you or a collector who regularly turns weapons around for profit, you should declare that. Now's the time to let it officially be know.

26th November 2009, 03:46 AM	#2
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	A large part of the problem is how to identify sellers, and yet keep it simple Alan had a good suggestion: Just ask them! I also think that perhaps it would be prudent to develop a line of pertinant questions which have to be answered as people register to join the forum, and with this perhaps stop potentially new members from abusing the rules. As it is presently, all a new prospective member have to do is to select a username, password and email address. Perhaps a format that include a form with questions to the prospective member is in order. One of those questions of cause would be, Are you a dealer? yes__ no__, Do you regularly deal in edged weapons? yes__ no__ , Are you a collector of edged weapons who only deal in order to enhance your own collection?yes__ no__, etc. etc. etc. etc. It is my belief that prevention is a powerful tool, and if the questionere is molded correctly, a great deal of the existing problems could be avoided. Just a suggestion

26th November 2009, 03:58 AM	#3
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Since I am thinking out of the box, so to speak. I was also thinking even though I don't really know if this would be possible at all. If there were a way to change the program, so after a prospective member have identified themselves as dealers give them a password that would only access the Swap Forum. That would certainly assure the continued posting of material in the Swap Forum, and at the same time prevent the dealers from stealing listing materiel for use in other venues.

26th November 2009, 08:01 PM	#6
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	It is no secret that I am a dealer and never has been so I do not understand the Bingo.

26th November 2009, 08:12 PM	#8
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	i should've narrowed the quote. i was referring to the last sentence of your post

26th November 2009, 02:52 PM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,287	Thank you all and keep the ideas coming . I have contacted Lee about the forum software's capabilities; when I have a better idea of what can be altered we will proceed . We must remember; we are not discussing Vikingsword's Site policy for the other forums or members . Just the Warung .