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Sajen · 23rd September 2009, 05:12 PM

I have taken out some of my Keris hilts for cleaning and have taken a fast picture for sharing with you.

sajen

David · 23rd September 2009, 08:58 PM

A nice collection!

Marcokeris · 23rd September 2009, 09:27 PM

very nice

drdavid · 23rd September 2009, 11:36 PM

Lovely collection, so many styles

A. G. Maisey · 23rd September 2009, 11:42 PM

They're in the wrong place Sajen:- those hilts belong in my cabinet, not yours.

Rick · 23rd September 2009, 11:52 PM

Once again I sin in my heart .

Could I see some closeups of the bird hilt in the foreground with the woven silver base ... please ??

Michel · 24th September 2009, 10:34 AM

Hi Sajen,
very interesting collection.
Could you show us the third hulu, front row. It looks really peculiar.
Congratulations

Michel

Mamat Lombok · 24th September 2009, 11:08 AM

lovely collections Sajen...

Gustav · 24th September 2009, 11:36 AM

Very sympatic and nice collection, Sajen!

Jentayu · 24th September 2009, 05:23 PM

Absolutely gorgeous collections of hulu!

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 03:50 PM

Thank you very much for the kind comments. This is only a part of my collection. The requested closeups will follow.

sajen

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Once again I sin in my heart .

Could I see some closeups of the bird hilt in the foreground with the woven silver base ... please ??

Hello Rick, here the closeups from the hilt.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

Hi Sajen,
very interesting collection.
Could you show us the third hulu, front row. It looks really peculiar.
Congratulations

Michel

Hi Michel,

I think you mean this hulu.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

They're in the wrong place Sajen:- those hilts belong in my cabinet, not yours.

Last time you show your cabinet Alan:- a lot of those belong in mine!

Regards,

Detlef

Michel · 25th September 2009, 07:06 PM

Thank you Detlef,
Now that I have seen it, it does not look as peculiar as I initially thought.
In your first picture, I saw a bird with a double beak. I had never seen a double beak with long upper mandible divided in two. Now it is clear it is just a long, very long beak.
Do you think it was made for a keris ? or was it just sculpted as an artistic expression ?
Have you been able to assemble you very nice collection just in Germany or have you had to travel in Indonesia to assemble it ?
Thanks for sharing
Regards
Michel

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

Thank you Detlef,
Now that I have seen it, it does not look as peculiar as I initially thought.
In your first picture, I saw a bird with a double beak. I had never seen a double beak with long upper mandible divided in two. Now it is clear it is just a long, very long beak.
Do you think it was made for a keris ? or was it just sculpted as an artistic expression ?
Have you been able to assemble you very nice collection just in Germany or have you had to travel in Indonesia to assemble it ?
Thanks for sharing
Regards
Michel

Hello Michel,

this type of hilts are from Lampung, Sumatra. Many of my hilts, also this one, I have collected in Indonesia. I don't know exactly if this is an old one but you can see at the hole for the pesi that it have been on a keris one time. When you have the book from Martin Kerner "Keris-Griffe aus Museen und Privatsammlungen" look at page 128, there is a very similar hilt. Also in the third book from Tammens "De Kris 3" on page 183, picture 166 is a similar hilt. The one Rick want to see is also a Lampung hilt.
Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 08:08 PM

Here a Lampung hilt from horn either original set together from two pieces or an old repair. This is for sure an antique hilt, also collected in Indonesia.

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 08:28 PM

And here another wooden example from the same region which lost his beak long time ago. The finest carving from all.

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 08:53 PM

And here a recent example (I bought it 1994 in Idonesia) but a masterpiece of carving. Note, the ring under the beak is movable and the complete hulu is from one piece of wood. Unfotunately is this hilt fallen down one time and the beak was broken, it's reglued.

Rick · 25th September 2009, 09:04 PM

Thanks so much for the closeups Sajen .

Not to mention the other examples you have shown .

Sajen · 25th September 2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Thanks so much for the closeups Sajen .

Not to mention the other examples you have shown .

My enjoy Rick! Would be nice to see other examples from Lampung.

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 26th September 2009, 12:55 AM

I've got a few more Lampung ones but they're not ready to photograph. If I ever get them cleaned up and repaired I'll post pics of them.

Marcokeris · 26th September 2009, 09:36 AM

One of my Lampung's long beak

Sajen · 26th September 2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I've got a few more Lampung ones but they're not ready to photograph. If I ever get them cleaned up and repaired I'll post pics of them.

A very nice one, and I know now why I want to clean my hilts.

Sajen · 26th September 2009, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

One of my Lampung's long beak

Good hilt Marco, is it a recent one? And you like to show us your other ones?

Regards,

Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 26th September 2009, 02:29 PM

Yeah, patina is fine---as long as it doesn't include rotten decayed old shellac that picks up dust and fills all the carving detail. I've got some metal (silver?) ones too, a couple of which need careful repair.

Sajen · 26th September 2009, 03:41 PM

Here the same hilts after a good cleaning. A real difference!

Sajen · 26th September 2009, 04:25 PM

Another hilt from the table, a small sea ivory hilt. Does someone know from where this hilt? Is it maybe a hilt from Sijunjung?

Sajen · 26th September 2009, 06:44 PM

Sorry, I am out of order for other work because I have got a Arthroskopie at my right knee, so I am sitting and clean my handles and so coming some question in my head.
What do you think, is this Jawa Deman from Cirebon or Sumatra? My guess it is a Cirebon hilt.

Jean · 26th September 2009, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Another hilt from the table, a small sea ivory hilt. Does someone know from where this hilt? Is it maybe a hilt from Sijunjung?

Hello Detlef,
Tammens says Indragiri (Riau) for these hilts, those from Sijunjung have a similar pointed beak but are shorter

Regards
Jean

23rd September 2009, 05:12 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	Ukiran I have taken out some of my Keris hilts for cleaning and have taken a fast picture for sharing with you. sajen Attached Images

24th September 2009, 10:34 AM	#7
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	What a collection ! Hi Sajen, very interesting collection. Could you show us the third hulu, front row. It looks really peculiar. Congratulations Michel

24th September 2009, 11:08 AM	#8
Mamat Lombok Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: lombok-indonesia Posts: 66	amazing lovely collections Sajen...

25th September 2009, 07:06 PM	#15
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	An interesting but not so peculiar hulu Thank you Detlef, Now that I have seen it, it does not look as peculiar as I initially thought. In your first picture, I saw a bird with a double beak. I had never seen a double beak with long upper mandible divided in two. Now it is clear it is just a long, very long beak. Do you think it was made for a keris ? or was it just sculpted as an artistic expression ? Have you been able to assemble you very nice collection just in Germany or have you had to travel in Indonesia to assemble it ? Thanks for sharing Regards Michel

25th September 2009, 08:08 PM	#17
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	Here a Lampung hilt from horn either original set together from two pieces or an old repair. This is for sure an antique hilt, also collected in Indonesia. Attached Images

23rd September 2009, 08:58 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,121	A nice collection!

23rd September 2009, 09:27 PM	#3
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	very nice

23rd September 2009, 11:36 PM	#4
drdavid Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 371	Lovely collection, so many styles

23rd September 2009, 11:42 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	They're in the wrong place Sajen:- those hilts belong in my cabinet, not yours.

23rd September 2009, 11:52 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Once again I sin in my heart . Could I see some closeups of the bird hilt in the foreground with the woven silver base ... please ??

24th September 2009, 11:36 AM	#9
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,247	Very sympatic and nice collection, Sajen!

24th September 2009, 05:23 PM	#10
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Absolutely gorgeous collections of hulu!

25th September 2009, 03:50 PM	#11
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	Thank you very much for the kind comments. This is only a part of my collection. The requested closeups will follow. sajen

25th September 2009, 08:28 PM	#18
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	And here another wooden example from the same region which lost his beak long time ago. The finest carving from all. Attached Images

25th September 2009, 08:53 PM	#19
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	And here a recent example (I bought it 1994 in Idonesia) but a masterpiece of carving. Note, the ring under the beak is movable and the complete hulu is from one piece of wood. Unfotunately is this hilt fallen down one time and the beak was broken, it's reglued. Attached Images

25th September 2009, 09:04 PM	#20
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,291	Thanks so much for the closeups Sajen . Not to mention the other examples you have shown .

26th September 2009, 12:55 AM	#22
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	I've got a few more Lampung ones but they're not ready to photograph. If I ever get them cleaned up and repaired I'll post pics of them. Attached Images

26th September 2009, 09:36 AM	#23
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	One of my Lampung's long beak Attached Images

26th September 2009, 02:29 PM	#26
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,890	Yeah, patina is fine---as long as it doesn't include rotten decayed old shellac that picks up dust and fills all the carving detail. I've got some metal (silver?) ones too, a couple of which need careful repair.

26th September 2009, 03:41 PM	#27
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	Here the same hilts after a good cleaning. A real difference! Attached Images

26th September 2009, 04:25 PM	#28
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	Another hilt from the table, a small sea ivory hilt. Does someone know from where this hilt? Is it maybe a hilt from Sijunjung? Attached Images

26th September 2009, 06:44 PM	#29
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	Sorry, I am out of order for other work because I have got a Arthroskopie at my right knee, so I am sitting and clean my handles and so coming some question in my head. What do you think, is this Jawa Deman from Cirebon or Sumatra? My guess it is a Cirebon hilt. Attached Images