keris in amsterdam museum

Rick · 25th April 2005, 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=nechesh]Does anyone know know the other metals involved here? Is it a low quality gold on one side and silver on the other? [QUOTE]

Could be a lighting situation , note the base metal has the same hue as the overlay .

Henk · 25th April 2005, 07:22 PM

I cann't tell anything about the metalls used on this keris.
But I read an article about the rediscovery of this keris.

There is a dentist in the middle of the Netherlands who had the keris put away in the safe in the bank. This dentist is a member of the Knaud family.
Once he had a friend in his chair who happened to be a keriscollector. They talked about keris and collecting and the subject moved to the Knaud keris. The friend thought it was a strange coincedence that his friend and dentist had the name Knaud. The dentist told him that the Knaud keris wasn't lost but that he had put it in the safe and that he owned the keris. With a few friends this collector made an appointment with the dentist, not for their teeth, but to see the Knaud keris. The dentist demanded that the knowledge that he was the owner of the keris and that the keris was in his possession should kept a secret. When this select group saw the keris they could convince the dentist that he should contact David van Duuren, the conservator of the KIT. The dentist decided to contact him and the pictures are the proof of it.

Battara · 25th April 2005, 08:31 PM

I would guess that the overlay is silver. Gold would have a better sheen and in the second picture there are places that are brownish-black, indicative of tarnish. So very glad this was found. Thanks for sharing.

BTW - Tuancd, like your avatar.

nechesh · 25th April 2005, 11:40 PM

Rick, i did notice the overall color shift on the "gold' side and you are probably right.
Tom, i think your suggestion on the overlay is certainly a possibility. I do find that dating this keris by the date on the keris itself is problematic at best.
Henk, thanks for the added info. Makes more sense than the keris being lost in the museum's back room. I would still like to hear more about this keris from the time of collection. It is certainly an extraordinary blade regardless of it's date of origin. It would be interesting to know what service the good doctor performed for the prince to receive it.

25th April 2005, 05:58 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	[QUOTE=nechesh]Does anyone know know the other metals involved here? Is it a low quality gold on one side and silver on the other? [QUOTE] Could be a lighting situation , note the base metal has the same hue as the overlay .

25th April 2005, 07:22 PM	#2
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I cann't tell anything about the metalls used on this keris. But I read an article about the rediscovery of this keris. There is a dentist in the middle of the Netherlands who had the keris put away in the safe in the bank. This dentist is a member of the Knaud family. Once he had a friend in his chair who happened to be a keriscollector. They talked about keris and collecting and the subject moved to the Knaud keris. The friend thought it was a strange coincedence that his friend and dentist had the name Knaud. The dentist told him that the Knaud keris wasn't lost but that he had put it in the safe and that he owned the keris. With a few friends this collector made an appointment with the dentist, not for their teeth, but to see the Knaud keris. The dentist demanded that the knowledge that he was the owner of the keris and that the keris was in his possession should kept a secret. When this select group saw the keris they could convince the dentist that he should contact David van Duuren, the conservator of the KIT. The dentist decided to contact him and the pictures are the proof of it.

25th April 2005, 08:31 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I would guess that the overlay is silver. Gold would have a better sheen and in the second picture there are places that are brownish-black, indicative of tarnish. So very glad this was found. Thanks for sharing. BTW - Tuancd, like your avatar.

25th April 2005, 11:40 PM	#4
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Rick, i did notice the overall color shift on the "gold' side and you are probably right. Tom, i think your suggestion on the overlay is certainly a possibility. I do find that dating this keris by the date on the keris itself is problematic at best. Henk, thanks for the added info. Makes more sense than the keris being lost in the museum's back room. I would still like to hear more about this keris from the time of collection. It is certainly an extraordinary blade regardless of it's date of origin. It would be interesting to know what service the good doctor performed for the prince to receive it.