Dagger for ID

Nonoy Tan · 7th June 2008, 09:50 AM

Does anybody know what type of dagger this is? AOL is 20.5 cm.

VANDOO · 11th June 2008, 04:29 AM

THIS IS NOT REALLY MY FIELD BUT AS NO ONE ELSE HAS TAKEN THE PLUNGE HERE GOES.

I THINK IT IS A OLDER BLADE FROM INDIA THAT HAS BEEN REHILTED, BUT NOT WITH THE NORMAL HANDLE FORM. IT COULD BE ONE OF AT LEAST 2 FORMS THAT USED TO BE CALLED SCORPION DAGGERS BY SOME COLLECTORS DUE TO ITS RESEMBLENCE TO A SCORPIONS STINGER.
1. KHANJARLI, THE ONE WITH THE LARGE POMMEL ,IT IS THE ONE USUALLY REFFERED TO AS A SCORPION DAGGER.
2. BICHWA DAGGER

PERHAPS SOMEONE WITH MORE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD WILL PIN IT DOWN FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK

Jim McDougall · 11th June 2008, 05:59 PM

It may not be your field Vandoo, but your identification and supporting photos are right on!! Well done. What I like most on your responses is that you tend to elaborate and add well thought out detail. It is great when responses to posted items show such clear effort to be helpful.

I agree that this is what appears to be a modern working version of these most attractive daggers of India.

Very best regards,
Jim

Nonoy Tan · 12th June 2008, 03:16 PM

Thanks Vandoo and Jim.

I actually acquired it from the Philippines. I initially guessed that it was of moro origin. Wrong guess. Those Indian dagger do get around.

VANDOO · 13th June 2008, 06:42 AM

THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE HANDLE AS IT DOES LOOK LIKE PHILIPPINE WORK MORE THAN INDIA. WEAPONS DO INDEED GET AROUND FOR VARIOUS REASONS, WE CAN PROBABLY BLAME A LOT OF THE DIFFUSION TO UNLIKELY PLACES ON US COLLECTORS. SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE MAY WONDER WHY AND HOW THESE WEAPONS FROM EVERYWHERE ENDED UP IN OKLAHOMA.

Nonoy Tan · 19th June 2008, 04:47 PM

I was informed by an expert that the dagger is likely to be Bagobo (Mindanao, Philippines).

Lew · 19th June 2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonoy Tan

I was informed by an expert that the dagger is likely to be Bagobo (Mindanao, Philippines).

Sounds possible to me. The ferrule behind the guard is similar to ones I have seen on Bagabo kampilans I will try and find a pic for comparison.

Lew

7th June 2008, 09:50 AM	#1
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Dagger for ID Does anybody know what type of dagger this is? AOL is 20.5 cm. Attached Images

11th June 2008, 04:29 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THIS IS NOT REALLY MY FIELD BUT AS NO ONE ELSE HAS TAKEN THE PLUNGE HERE GOES. I THINK IT IS A OLDER BLADE FROM INDIA THAT HAS BEEN REHILTED, BUT NOT WITH THE NORMAL HANDLE FORM. IT COULD BE ONE OF AT LEAST 2 FORMS THAT USED TO BE CALLED SCORPION DAGGERS BY SOME COLLECTORS DUE TO ITS RESEMBLENCE TO A SCORPIONS STINGER. 1. KHANJARLI, THE ONE WITH THE LARGE POMMEL ,IT IS THE ONE USUALLY REFFERED TO AS A SCORPION DAGGER. 2. BICHWA DAGGER PERHAPS SOMEONE WITH MORE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD WILL PIN IT DOWN FOR YOU. GOOD LUCK Attached Images

11th June 2008, 05:59 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,945	It may not be your field Vandoo, but your identification and supporting photos are right on!! Well done. What I like most on your responses is that you tend to elaborate and add well thought out detail. It is great when responses to posted items show such clear effort to be helpful. I agree that this is what appears to be a modern working version of these most attractive daggers of India. Very best regards, Jim

12th June 2008, 03:16 PM	#4
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	Thanks Vandoo and Jim. I actually acquired it from the Philippines. I initially guessed that it was of moro origin. Wrong guess. Those Indian dagger do get around.

13th June 2008, 06:42 AM	#5
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THAT WOULD EXPLAIN THE HANDLE AS IT DOES LOOK LIKE PHILIPPINE WORK MORE THAN INDIA. WEAPONS DO INDEED GET AROUND FOR VARIOUS REASONS, WE CAN PROBABLY BLAME A LOT OF THE DIFFUSION TO UNLIKELY PLACES ON US COLLECTORS. SOMEONE IN THE FUTURE MAY WONDER WHY AND HOW THESE WEAPONS FROM EVERYWHERE ENDED UP IN OKLAHOMA.

19th June 2008, 04:47 PM	#6
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	I was informed by an expert that the dagger is likely to be Bagobo (Mindanao, Philippines).