Karud: expensive?

ariel · 29th December 2007, 05:32 PM

Just ended.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=011
Jade handles are rare, and this might be Bukharan ( unlikely, but it still has 5 rivets).
Still, the price left me speechless..
Is it the X-Mas spirit on the side of multiple bidders or am I being a Scrooge?

Jeff D · 29th December 2007, 05:44 PM

Looks like Green Horn, and not original to the piece.

Jeff

ALEX · 29th December 2007, 05:52 PM

You're not being a scrooge Ariel. I had the same reaction. Even if it is true jade handle, the blade is plain, the general condition is poor, and I have no idea what is sword suspension ring doing on that scabbard:-)
Also, does 5 rivets mean Bukharan origin? Could Bukhara-identified handles have 3 or 4 rivets as well...?

Lew · 29th December 2007, 07:33 PM

I must agree with Ariel though it seems like a very nice piece it has damage to the hilt and the scabbard is quite tattered in my opinion if you are going to spend that type of cash one would be looking for something in better condition.

Lew

ALEX · 29th December 2007, 10:03 PM

This dagger even being in poor condition and expensive is authentic. What really outrageous is this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Mughal-D...QQcmdZViewItem

These katars are in perfect condition i.e. Brand New, and "expensive" takes another spin: "insane".

Battara · 29th December 2007, 10:19 PM

Yes I also noticed this piece - with a gold koftgari mount that does not belong and the possibility of being green horn. I wonder if the blade just needs to be etched - still a lot of money.

Rick · 30th December 2007, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX

This dagger even being in poor condition and expensive is authentic. What really outrageous is this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Mughal-D...QQcmdZViewItem

These katars are in perfect condition i.e. Brand New, and "expensive" takes another spin: "insane".

" A Fool and his money ......... "

ALEX · 2nd January 2008, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

" A Fool and his money ......... "

Another example of that person:
Not bad for wootz yataghan

http://cgi.ebay.com/Very-Nice-Persia...QQcmdZViewItem

Lew · 2nd January 2008, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALEX

Another example of that person:
Not bad for wootz yataghan

http://cgi.ebay.com/Very-Nice-Persia...QQcmdZViewItem

Wootz no but I like it. The price is another story but you never know

Lew

ALEX · 2nd January 2008, 12:47 PM

Lew, I respect your tastes and interests. Something tells me this is completely new piece though, misrepresented as antique. Because I've seen similar items before, I believe that this one is the same, completely newly made, including the blade. As such, it can be good only as cheap souvenir, in my humble opinion.

Lew · 2nd January 2008, 03:51 PM

Alex

The patina on the wood seems to suggest some age and a clean fresh looking blade is not always indicative of a newly made piece. The scroll work on the blade is rather well done. I would place this piece 1930s-50 but I can't be 100 percent sure since I do not have it in my hand.

Lew

Rick · 2nd January 2008, 03:51 PM

Looks like some kind of Flyssa variant ..

ariel · 2nd January 2008, 06:52 PM

I shall throw my 2 cents worth into the " tourist" hat.
New through and through, flyssa-like, not even a whiff of wootz.
This buyer is a wet dream of Chinese " commanding officer yataghan" makers.
Do you think somebody should contact him and gently plant an idea of stopping buying and starting reading for a while?

ALEX · 3rd January 2008, 10:19 AM

Agree with Ariel 101%,
And also agree with Lew that not all shiny blades indicate "new".
The collecting knowledge and experience is measured, in part, by how well one can "recognize" a genuine authentic item from "fake". And this is why we post these links here and collaborate our opinions.

29th December 2007, 05:32 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Karud: expensive? Just ended. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=011 Jade handles are rare, and this might be Bukharan ( unlikely, but it still has 5 rivets). Still, the price left me speechless.. Is it the X-Mas spirit on the side of multiple bidders or am I being a Scrooge?

29th December 2007, 05:52 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	You're not being a scrooge Ariel. I had the same reaction. Even if it is true jade handle, the blade is plain, the general condition is poor, and I have no idea what is sword suspension ring doing on that scabbard:-) Also, does 5 rivets mean Bukharan origin? Could Bukhara-identified handles have 3 or 4 rivets as well...? Last edited by ALEX; 29th December 2007 at 06:12 PM.

29th December 2007, 05:44 PM	#2
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Looks like Green Horn, and not original to the piece. Jeff

29th December 2007, 07:33 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I must agree with Ariel though it seems like a very nice piece it has damage to the hilt and the scabbard is quite tattered in my opinion if you are going to spend that type of cash one would be looking for something in better condition. Lew

29th December 2007, 10:03 PM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	This dagger even being in poor condition and expensive is authentic. What really outrageous is this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Mughal-D...QQcmdZViewItem These katars are in perfect condition i.e. Brand New, and "expensive" takes another spin: "insane".

29th December 2007, 10:19 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Yes I also noticed this piece - with a gold koftgari mount that does not belong and the possibility of being green horn. I wonder if the blade just needs to be etched - still a lot of money.

2nd January 2008, 12:47 PM	#10
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Lew, I respect your tastes and interests. Something tells me this is completely new piece though, misrepresented as antique. Because I've seen similar items before, I believe that this one is the same, completely newly made, including the blade. As such, it can be good only as cheap souvenir, in my humble opinion.

2nd January 2008, 03:51 PM	#11
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Alex The patina on the wood seems to suggest some age and a clean fresh looking blade is not always indicative of a newly made piece. The scroll work on the blade is rather well done. I would place this piece 1930s-50 but I can't be 100 percent sure since I do not have it in my hand. Lew

2nd January 2008, 03:51 PM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Looks like some kind of Flyssa variant ..

2nd January 2008, 06:52 PM	#13
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I shall throw my 2 cents worth into the " tourist" hat. New through and through, flyssa-like, not even a whiff of wootz. This buyer is a wet dream of Chinese " commanding officer yataghan" makers. Do you think somebody should contact him and gently plant an idea of stopping buying and starting reading for a while?

3rd January 2008, 10:19 AM	#14
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Agree with Ariel 101%, And also agree with Lew that not all shiny blades indicate "new". The collecting knowledge and experience is measured, in part, by how well one can "recognize" a genuine authentic item from "fake". And this is why we post these links here and collaborate our opinions.