OLD OR JUNK?

brekele · 21st April 2007, 07:33 PM

Hi again GUYS, today the blade is cleaned. Now, It's time for me to learn again

Any opinions?

Battara · 21st April 2007, 09:04 PM

Very nice cleaning and etching job!

David · 21st April 2007, 10:32 PM

Aaahhhh...that feels better, doesn't it?

I strongly suspect that this keris has had alterations, especially after this cleaning where you can follow the pamor lines. That certainlt doesn't make it junk, but in my eyes it makes it less desirable than it would be in it's original dapur.
Nice cleaning job.

Alam Shah · 22nd April 2007, 12:29 AM

The lower quarter areas does seems modified. The two central grooves (kruwingan) seems to be... the pamor looks 'disturbed'. Probably some other dapur type before it is modified into a Karno Tinanding.

Rick · 22nd April 2007, 01:34 AM

The dapur as it appears now lacks a certain flow and harmony; the execution is not too impressive IMO.

brekele · 22nd April 2007, 10:04 AM

Hi Alam, somehow I tought like you before in first moment I got this dirty blade's pics. (Honestly I'm not good in keris experience but most of my friends in Lombok does very much better than me in this subject).
And then I dialed some mobile numbers to INDO for making sure about this keris
being modified/added or not (also for me to learn).
And Opinions of those numbers was IMPOSIBLE IF THERE ARE MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IN 80 - 90 YEARS AGO JUST BECAUSE FOR TRADING KERIS.
MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IS JUST CAME UP ABOUT LESS THAN 25 YEARS AGO WHEN BOOMING OF KERISES TRADING IS STARTING.
GUYS, once again.....I stil learn, those opinion above was just fresh from few DIALLED NUMBERS.

And I'm sure ....I BELIEVED THEM (they are some good friends of me).
No "CHEAT AND CHAT" in our relationship so far.

GUYS, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING ENGLISH TEACHER FOR ME. NOW I'M OFTEN TO OPEN DICTIONARY AGAIN

Henk · 22nd April 2007, 10:23 AM

Great job!!!!

Just love this keris!!!!

David · 22nd April 2007, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brekele

And Opinions of those numbers was IMPOSIBLE IF THERE ARE MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IN 80 - 90 YEARS AGO JUST BECAUSE FOR TRADING KERIS.
MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IS JUST CAME UP ABOUT LESS THAN 25 YEARS AGO WHEN BOOMING OF KERISES TRADING IS STARTING.
GUYS, once again.....I stil learn, those opinion above was just fresh from few DIALLED NUMBERS.
And I'm sure ....I BELIEVED THEM (they are some good friends of me).
No "CHEAT AND CHAT" in our relationship so far.

AFAIK modifications have been added to keris for even more than 80-90 years, but certainly it is a practice which has increased in modern times. I think it would be very difficult to tell exactly when this keris may have been modified, but it could very well have been within the last 25 years. It could even have been done in the last few years as there are all kinds of methods to add age to make these changes look original to the keris. I am not in anyway implying that the friend you bought this from was aware of these changes so there is no "cheat and chat" implied, but i would be very surprised if this blade's dapur is original. You might also want to look at what you paid for this keris. Was it hundreds of dollars (USD) or thousands? If this is the original dapur it would be a rather rare one and quite valuable IMO. Your knowledgable Indo friends would probably be aware of this as well.

21st April 2007, 07:33 PM	#1
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi again GUYS, today the blade is cleaned. Now, It's time for me to learn again Any opinions? Attached Images Last edited by brekele; 21st April 2007 at 07:55 PM.

21st April 2007, 09:04 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,217	Very nice cleaning and etching job!

21st April 2007, 10:32 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,113	Aaahhhh...that feels better, doesn't it? I strongly suspect that this keris has had alterations, especially after this cleaning where you can follow the pamor lines. That certainlt doesn't make it junk, but in my eyes it makes it less desirable than it would be in it's original dapur. Nice cleaning job.

22nd April 2007, 12:29 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	The lower quarter areas does seems modified. The two central grooves (kruwingan) seems to be... the pamor looks 'disturbed'. Probably some other dapur type before it is modified into a Karno Tinanding.

22nd April 2007, 01:34 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	The dapur as it appears now lacks a certain flow and harmony; the execution is not too impressive IMO.

22nd April 2007, 10:04 AM	#6
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Hi Alam, somehow I tought like you before in first moment I got this dirty blade's pics. (Honestly I'm not good in keris experience but most of my friends in Lombok does very much better than me in this subject). And then I dialed some mobile numbers to INDO for making sure about this keris being modified/added or not (also for me to learn). And Opinions of those numbers was IMPOSIBLE IF THERE ARE MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IN 80 - 90 YEARS AGO JUST BECAUSE FOR TRADING KERIS. MODIFIED/ADDED KERIS IS JUST CAME UP ABOUT LESS THAN 25 YEARS AGO WHEN BOOMING OF KERISES TRADING IS STARTING. GUYS, once again.....I stil learn, those opinion above was just fresh from few DIALLED NUMBERS. And I'm sure ....I BELIEVED THEM (they are some good friends of me). No "CHEAT AND CHAT" in our relationship so far. GUYS, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING ENGLISH TEACHER FOR ME. NOW I'M OFTEN TO OPEN DICTIONARY AGAIN

22nd April 2007, 10:23 AM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Great job!!!! Just love this keris!!!!