Glasgow Hilt?

Rachelle.Slattery · 10th October 2024, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Without regimental markings or personal inscription it is hard to establish which unit of the British army this basket hilt might belong to. The regiments known to have had these 1828 style hilts for officers were;
Royal Scots Fusiliers; Highland Light Infantry; Seaforth Highlanders; Cameron Highlanders; Kings Own Scottish Borderers; Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders; and of course the Black Watch (42nd).

Possibly the motto inscribed might be a clue if it can be attributed to one of these units specifically.

Thanks Jim, this is quite insightful. I would love to hear if anyone is able to shed more light specifically on the motto (God with us). I have spent a good few hours looking for a regiment during that time period (1837 - 1860) using the motto, it does not appear to belong to any of the above mentioned regiments. The closest I did come was the Fletcher clan motto "God for us".

Bryce · 11th October 2024, 02:09 AM

G'day Rachelle,
I think it is very likely that the coat of arms on the blade belong to the owner of the sword. Often (but not always), there will be a set of initials as well. If you can post some better photos of the coat of arms and the other blade decoration as well, we may be able to identify the owner. Unfortunately, even with a coat of arms, it isn't always possible to identify the owner. Sometimes it is difficult to identify what the various elements on a coat of arms are. For example this crest below is actually a wolf. If I hadn't have been able to identify the owner by other means I would have been none the wiser.
Cheers,
Bryce

Rachelle.Slattery · 11th October 2024, 07:09 AM

Thanks Bryce. I think a wolf is definitely a possibility. I will endeavour to try and get some better pictures of the 1828 blade motif over the weekend. The motto is definitely leading me to dead ends as it is actually the prussian motto, but in English.

Rachelle.Slattery · 18th October 2024, 05:18 AM

Unfortunately, this is the best I am able to get the image of the crest and motto. I have had no luck trying to link the motto to any of the regiments during Queen Victoria's reign. I'm wondering if rather than it being made specifically for a regiment it may have been purchased by an individual and they ordered it with their own "motto"? Was that something people did in the 19th century?
Maybe I'm just going to have to be satisfied with being able to place it within a short time period and not knowing anything further about it.

Bryce · 20th October 2024, 10:22 PM

G'day Rachelle,
Your sword would have been purchased by an individual officer, who would have been serving in a particular regiment at the time. Most swords only have generic blade decoration, but some are marked with the owner's initials, crest, motto etc. Some are marked to the regiment the owner served with and if you are really lucky, the sword is marked to both the owner and the regiment they served with. If marked to both you have the best chance of tracking down the owner. The coat of arms on your sword most probably belongs to the owner, but it is possible it has some other significance. To have any chance of identifying the owner you need to get better photos of it. We need to be able to determine what the particular elements of it are.
Cheers,
Bryce

11th October 2024, 02:09 AM	#2
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 187	G'day Rachelle, I think it is very likely that the coat of arms on the blade belong to the owner of the sword. Often (but not always), there will be a set of initials as well. If you can post some better photos of the coat of arms and the other blade decoration as well, we may be able to identify the owner. Unfortunately, even with a coat of arms, it isn't always possible to identify the owner. Sometimes it is difficult to identify what the various elements on a coat of arms are. For example this crest below is actually a wolf. If I hadn't have been able to identify the owner by other means I would have been none the wiser. Cheers, Bryce Attached Images

18th October 2024, 05:18 AM	#4
Rachelle.Slattery Member Join Date: Sep 2024 Posts: 8	Unfortunately, this is the best I am able to get the image of the crest and motto. I have had no luck trying to link the motto to any of the regiments during Queen Victoria's reign. I'm wondering if rather than it being made specifically for a regiment it may have been purchased by an individual and they ordered it with their own "motto"? Was that something people did in the 19th century? Maybe I'm just going to have to be satisfied with being able to place it within a short time period and not knowing anything further about it. Attached Images

11th October 2024, 07:09 AM	#3
Rachelle.Slattery Member Join Date: Sep 2024 Posts: 8	Thanks Bryce. I think a wolf is definitely a possibility. I will endeavour to try and get some better pictures of the 1828 blade motif over the weekend. The motto is definitely leading me to dead ends as it is actually the prussian motto, but in English.

20th October 2024, 10:22 PM	#5
Bryce Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: North Queensland, Australia Posts: 187	G'day Rachelle, Your sword would have been purchased by an individual officer, who would have been serving in a particular regiment at the time. Most swords only have generic blade decoration, but some are marked with the owner's initials, crest, motto etc. Some are marked to the regiment the owner served with and if you are really lucky, the sword is marked to both the owner and the regiment they served with. If marked to both you have the best chance of tracking down the owner. The coat of arms on your sword most probably belongs to the owner, but it is possible it has some other significance. To have any chance of identifying the owner you need to get better photos of it. We need to be able to determine what the particular elements of it are. Cheers, Bryce