Sino-vietnamese fighting knife

[Ren Ren]

This type of knife is associated with the Zhuang people on the Chinese Internet. The Nong people of Vietnam are known for their blacksmithing skills. In China, the Nong are considered an ethnic group within the Zhuang people. During the Sino-French War of 1884-85, the Nong/Zhuang actively fought on the side of Chinese proxies - the Black Flags and others, and after the war they were involved in cross-border crime, racketeering, robbery, kidnapping and trafficking in women.
At auctions, these knives are often labeled as "river pirate knives", but this is only partly true. In fact, the French called all organized gangs of criminals in Northern Vietnam "pirates".
In their shape and design, Nong/Zhuang knives are similar to the knives of the Chinese from the southern coastal provinces of Guangdong, Fujian, Zhejiang. They are distinguished by a rough finish and a common ornament in the form of circles with a dot in the center. Also, their handles are often made of horn, while Chinese handles were more often made of wood.

[ausjulius]

Originally Posted by Ren Ren

This type of knife is associated with the Zhuang people on the Chinese Internet. The Nong people of Vietnam are known for their blacksmithing skills. In China, the Nong are considered an ethnic group within the Zhuang people. During the Sino-French War of 1884-85, the Nong/Zhuang actively fought on the side of Chinese proxies - the Black Flags and others, and after the war they were involved in cross-border crime, racketeering, robbery, kidnapping and trafficking in women.
At auctions, these knives are often labeled as "river pirate knives", but this is only partly true. In fact, the French called all organized gangs of criminals in Northern Vietnam "pirates".
In their shape and design, Nong/Zhuang knives are similar to the knives of the Chinese from the southern coastal provinces of Guangdong, Fujian, Zhejiang. They are distinguished by a rough finish and a common ornament in the form of circles with a dot in the center. Also, their handles are often made of horn, while Chinese handles were more often made of wood.

Interesting, I have never seen these knives associated with Zhuang people.
They are always linked with costal people from Guangdong, northern Vietnam.
Do you have any references or period photos if these being made by Zhuang people?
Thanks

[Ren Ren]

Originally Posted by ausjulius

Interesting, I have never seen these knives associated with Zhuang people.
They are always linked with costal people from Guangdong, northern Vietnam.
Do you have any references or period photos if these being made by Zhuang people?
Thanks

You asked a question that I ask myself, but have not yet found an answer to it. But I am trying and searching. And of course I will share the results as soon as they appear.