VOC marked pedang

[A. G. Maisey]

I believe that we are dealing with a matter of perspective:- if one is a collector of European edged weapons, then this pedang is not a European edged weapon, thus it has no place in a collection of European weaponry, however, if one is a collector of ethnic edged weapons, or perhaps only Indonesian or Javanese edged weapons, then this pedang is a good example of such a weapon.

The VOC mark is talismanic, placed there by a person & for a person indigenous to Old Jawa.

In accordance with Javanese practice, when any part of a weapon becomes shabby, or even if one wishes to give one's old or inherited weapon a facelift, then the hilt or scabbard is replaced, not to do so is an insult to previous owners and to the man who made the blade.

[naturalist]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

I believe that we are dealing with a matter of perspective:- if one is a collector of European edged weapons, then this pedang is not a European edged weapon, thus it has no place in a collection of European weaponry, however, if one is a collector of ethnic edged weapons, or perhaps only Indonesian or Javanese edged weapons, then this pedang is a good example of such a weapon.

The VOC mark is talismanic, placed there by a person & for a person indigenous to Old Jawa.

In accordance with Javanese practice, when any part of a weapon becomes shabby, or even if one wishes to give one's old or inherited weapon a facelift, then the hilt or scabbard is replaced, not to do so is an insult to previous owners and to the man who made the blade.

I am agree with you sir and also to Ian, it is from Java. Most likely western part of Java. The hilt if i am not mistaken named as variant of makoro, a common hilt from Cirebon to Banten. At least i have two of it.
I do have several golok which stamped just like Cel7's blade.
I think one of the reason is to convince people that it has quality as good as VOC's blade.

[cel7]

Thanks again for your wise lessons! I didn't buy it but I did gain knowledge.

[francantolin]

Hello,

I like the words you used in your first post
'' The pedang is not in my possesion.''
''Now'' we now why 😅🙃 ( cousu de fil blanc...)

I remember my first posts time ago. we were told that we should only comment on items taken entirely in photos and especially which were no longer for sale...
In italian it's called '' make thé finto tonto''

but it's normal to test

[JeffS]

Originally Posted by francantolin

Hello,

I like the words you used in your first post
'' The pedang is not in my possesion.''
''Now'' we now why 😅🙃 ( cousu de fil blanc...)

I remember my first posts time ago. we were told that we should only comment on items taken entirely in photos and especially which were no longer for sale...
In italian it's called '' make thé finto tonto''

but it's normal to test

My understanding is that we should not discuss items on the public forum that are broadly available (e.g online) or to gain information prior for selling an item. PM such enquiries. I would consider questions on items in small antique shops/malls, thrift/junk stores, garage/estate sales etc are fair game for discussion. However, in my opinion, transparency up front is important.

[Ian]

cel7.

JeffS raises an important point! The forums do not allow discussion of items that are for sale. Your original wording was ambiguous and could be interpreted as you requesting an opinion for a friend's item.

Please do not repeat this practice. Posting discussion of items up for sale would ordinarily draw a suspension of posting privileges for several months. I'll give you a pass this time. Please read carefully the Forum Rules (at the top of the Forum Directory page).

Ian

[Jim McDougall]

It is understandable to 'test the waters' before buying an item, (caveat emptor)and wise to check the expertise of others with more experience with a certain field before any transaction.

While this ploy was clever, it was unnecessary and puts the forum and its members in precarious legal position, which is not hard to figure using the common sense axioms.

It is perfectly acceptable and prudent to contact the specialized members via PM to ask these questions on 'live sales', just not publicly. Opinions expressed privately remain just that, but aired publicly become matter of record and potentially litigous.

[cel7]

Originally Posted by Ian

cel7.

JeffS raises an important point! The forums do not allow discussion of items that are for sale. Your original wording was ambiguous and could be interpreted as you requesting an opinion for a friend's item.

Please do not repeat this practice. Posting discussion of items up for sale would ordinarily draw a suspension of posting privileges for several months. I'll give you a pass this time. Please read carefully the Forum Rules (at the top of the Forum Directory page).

Ian

Sorry, I wasn't aware this wasn't allowed. It won't happen again.