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This bolo from Luzon will enter the collection. It's 49 cm inside scabbard.
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Here some new pictures.
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And here together with a very similar one my friend got recently, the one from him is a little bit more heavy but seemingly from the same workshop.
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Coincidentally I just received this similar bolo - there are some differences of course but they appear to belong to the same “family”. The end of the sheath is open. The notorious “katana” of central Luzon perhaps?
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Yeah I never bought the "katana" nomenclature for this.
Would this be Pangasinan or Pampangan? |
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I believe the blade in question is Pangasinan since: 1) I've never seen a Kapampangan-made blade with that engraving. In contrast, I've seen those on Pangasinan blades. 2) A feature of the "brother" blade- a spine gimping pattern- is also present in one of my younger, Pangasinan-provenanced blades. I've not seen that applied in Ilokano or Kapampangan blades. 3) I believe the blade in question is a truncated-blade form of the Pangasinan blade known as "barang." In its truncated form, it looks "similar" to tulipas, but they have differing blade profiles and alignment. |
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![]() ![]() Can you show us a pic from the spine of your blade? Regards, Detlef |
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Would this be Pangasinan or Pampangan as well? The curved spine and belly are quite different. Recently won but haven't received, photo from Ebay.
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Here is my piece. Thought it was Pampangan. Is it Pangansinan? Sun on the butt of the hilt - Katipunan group?
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The spine profiles are also different. There's a curve in the Pangasinan talunasan's, following the edge profile's curve-up towards the tip. The tulipas just slopes down without curving back up. The reason for these subtle differences is because they were 'cut' from different blades. Tulipas was from a Kapampangan narrow-tipped blade (whose name eludes me), while talunasan is from the Pangasinan "barang" blade. Hope this clarifies things! ![]() |
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This blade is, I'm guessing, from Ilocos, the blade profile is mostly straight with minimal curves, it's an all-rounder blade which they call nowadays as "para gaw-at."
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Here's some pics of my WW2-era Pangasinan talunasan, round-tip variant. The spine gimping is the same as one of Detlef's samples. The blade engravings, while not 1:1 with Detlef's blades, has a similar theme.
The hilt profile also appears on Ilokano blades. The peen style also appears on Pampanga and Ilokano blades. The hilt carving is distinctly Pangasinan, I've not encountered that on Ilokano, Kapampangan, or hilts from elsewhere in Luzon. I absolutely adore this talunasan...this is how it looks like in action: https://bit.ly/talunasan The round-tip variant has a similar nuance to round-tip minasbad. The thrusts are wicked. Last edited by xasterix; 23rd September 2024 at 06:30 AM. |
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Wasn't there a discussion here on these "cut" style blade tips previously? I can't seem to find it. Curious as to why this feature is found on bolos across Luzon.
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Yes and Filipinos were too good with their intak/bolos making the Spanish afraid of their lethality. So the Spanish forbade them having pointed tip (to my understanding).
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