Antique kalis for comment

[xasterix]

Originally Posted by Battara

I find it interesting that the inner core of the blade is very wavy whereas the edges are shallower and not matching as much.

I agree that this is probably earlier than mid-19c and the smith was a true master. Also, I noticed that the engraved lines going down both sides of the blade once had silver inlay.

Thanks for posting this Ray!

Thanks for the assessment! Sirs Jose and Ian, I think the shallower-than-usual form of the blade profile may likely be due to: 1) extensive sharpening; 2) owner's preference; 3) era- or area-specific signature.

It can also be a combination of those factors. I've seen at least 3 other Sulu kalis from the late 1800s-early 1900s era which also had shallow waves (and one of them was also twistcore). But admittedly, mine is the shallowest of them all

[Ian]

Originally Posted by xasterix

Thanks for the assessment! Sirs Jose and Ian, I think the shallower-than-usual form of the blade profile may likely be due to: 1) extensive sharpening; 2) owner's preference; 3) era- or area-specific signature.

It can also be a combination of those factors. I've seen at least 3 other Sulu kalis from the late 1800s-early 1900s era which also had shallow waves (and one of them was also twistcore). But admittedly, mine is the shallowest of them all

Ray, I think your example is more marked than many similar blades. Very shallow waves are a fairly common feature on some of the long, broad-bladed examples of the era you mentioned. I've seen them in Maguindanao and Maranao dress also.

[Battara]

Originally Posted by Ian

I've seen them in Maguindanao and Maranao dress also.

Same here. I've seen these too.

[xasterix]

Originally Posted by Battara

Same here. I've seen these too.

From a functional POV, I favor the shallow-waved; they're easier to sharpen and cut with, as opposed to the curvy-wavy types

[Ian]

Hi xas,

Here is another Sulu kalis of roughly the same time period as yours. It sold at auction recently for a surprising high amount IMHO. It also shows shallow waves and edge hardening, with a tall gangya. The blade appears to be Maguindanao in manufacture, based on the arrangement of the secar kacang/gandhik and the horizontal jalen. The silver mounted hilt has a circular pommel with an interesting design engraved on its silver butte plate—two squares enclosing a pentagram.

It looks to me that this kris started out with one asang asang (two-piece construction) and had a second asang asang added later (no protrusion along the hilt visible and the engraving is different). I think it started life as a Maguindnao kris and at some point was redressed with a Sulu hilt and an extra asang asang was added.

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[xasterix]

Originally Posted by Ian

Hi xas,

Here is another Sulu kalis of roughly the same time period as yours. It sold at auction recently for a surprising high amount IMHO. It also shows shallow waves and edge hardening, with a tall gangya. The blade appears to be Maguindanao in manufacture, based on the arrangement of the secar kacang/gandhik and the horizontal jalen. The silver mounted hilt has a circular pommel with an interesting design engraved on its silver butte plate—two squares enclosing a pentagram.

It looks to me that this kris started out with one asang asang (two-piece construction) and had a second asang asang added later (no protrusion along the hilt visible and the engraving is different). I think it started life as a Maguindnao kris and at some point was redressed with a Sulu hilt and an extra asang asang was added.

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Halloo, sorry for neglecting to respond to this- I agree that's a late 1800s/early 1900s Maguindanao kris-blade but I think the hilt and fittings (including asang-asang) are pre-WW2 Maranao, possibly replacements or upgrades. The scabbard is interesting- there are brass pins, so I'm curious to see what the other side looks like. The Yakan sometimes place brass pins on weapons that they either make or appropriate; if the scabbard-plate also has brass pins, that would point to a previous Yakan ownership; the Yakan owner would've called that 'kalis.' The esoteric symbols on the butt are a divination star within the Ring of Solomon, those two symbols usually go together.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by xasterix

Halloo, sorry for neglecting to respond to this- I agree that's a late 1800s/early 1900s Maguindanao kris-blade but I think the hilt and fittings (including asang-asang) are pre-WW2 Maranao, possibly replacements or upgrades. The scabbard is interesting- there are brass pins, so I'm curious to see what the other side looks like. The Yakan sometimes place brass pins on weapons that they either make or appropriate; if the scabbard-plate also has brass pins, that would point to a previous Yakan ownership; the Yakan owner would've called that 'kalis.' The esoteric symbols on the butt are a divination star within the Ring of Solomon, those two symbols usually go together.

Thanks Xas. Unfortunately, this sword was bought by somebody else! I dropped out early in the bidding. We will not know what the other side of the scabbard looks like.