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Old 20th August 2024, 04:39 AM   #1
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One more question about this Bali sword. We can observe some damaged dents on this Keris, which may have resulted from later use and collisions. However, it's intriguing that the damaged areas of the sword still remian the same black color as the surface. It is known that the black surface of Keris comes from a soaking process after forging, so the black color on the surface should not penetrate into the interior. Then why is the interior of the scratch still black after the surface has been damaged? Does it has any relationship with the material?
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Old 22nd August 2024, 12:09 AM   #2
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I cannot see any actual dents in the blade. There are a few irregularities a few areas where rust has caused some blade erosion, but dents I cannot find.

Dents can appear because of the loss of a piece of lamination, or because of a large area of untreated rust. Prior to staining Balinese blades are polished, and this polish & then stain process occurs pretty regularly, for some keris it might occur every year.

In respect of staining, the usual commercial blade stain is normally done by soaking, but the staining process for single blades is a hands on process, & the stain process for valuable or highly esteemed blades is different again. I do not like the usual result from the soak method of staining, & it seems to not last as long as the other more labour intensive ways of staining a blade.
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Old 22nd August 2024, 06:02 AM   #3
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I cannot see any actual dents in the blade. There are a few irregularities a few areas where rust has caused some blade erosion, but dents I cannot find.

Dents can appear because of the loss of a piece of lamination, or because of a large area of untreated rust. Prior to staining Balinese blades are polished, and this polish & then stain process occurs pretty regularly, for some keris it might occur every year.

In respect of staining, the usual commercial blade stain is normally done by soaking, but the staining process for single blades is a hands on process, & the stain process for valuable or highly esteemed blades is different again. I do not like the usual result from the soak method of staining, & it seems to not last as long as the other more labour intensive ways of staining a blade.
Hello, Alan. Why do they need to do the polish & then stain process so frequently? Isn't that after stain the Keris become stainless?
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Old 22nd August 2024, 07:56 AM   #4
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I cannot see any actual dents in the blade. There are a few irregularities a few areas where rust has caused some blade erosion, but dents I cannot find.

Dents can appear because of the loss of a piece of lamination, or because of a large area of untreated rust. Prior to staining Balinese blades are polished, and this polish & then stain process occurs pretty regularly, for some keris it might occur every year.

In respect of staining, the usual commercial blade stain is normally done by soaking, but the staining process for single blades is a hands on process, & the stain process for valuable or highly esteemed blades is different again. I do not like the usual result from the soak method of staining, & it seems to not last as long as the other more labour intensive ways of staining a blade.
How to identify if a Keris is stained by soaking or hands-on? And, most foreign owners outside of local place don't have the ability to do the stain work annually. So, is it necessary to do something to protect our Keris? Or do we have to learn how to stain? What shall we do?
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Old 22nd August 2024, 04:11 PM   #5
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Hello everyone, I think I may have found a Keris of the same Parmer type, and this Keris's Parmor type is introduced elaborately. It's called Beras Wutah.
Do you think this keris is of the same type as the #1?

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Old 22nd August 2024, 10:05 PM   #6
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Hello everyone, I think I may have found a Keris of the same Parmer type, and this Keris's Parmor type is introduced elaborately. It's called Beras Wutah.
Do you think this keris is of the same type as the #1?
Sorry Hugh, but i had to delete your photos as they seem to be from an active auction, which is forbidden by our rules. If you google Beras Wutah you should be able to find images of the pamor that are not attached to an auction. Beras Wutah, or some variation of it, is probably the most common pamor found on Balinese keris.
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Old 23rd August 2024, 12:56 AM   #7
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Sorry Hugh, but i had to delete your photos as they seem to be from an active auction, which is forbidden by our rules. If you google Beras Wutah you should be able to find images of the pamor that are not attached to an auction. Beras Wutah, or some variation of it, is probably the most common pamor found on Balinese keris.
Hello, David

Excuse me, for any confusion caused. The kris I mentioned was indeed offered for sale in an Indonesian kris shop that I have been keeping an eye on. But it was sold a few days ago. Therefore, I believe it is no longer available for purchase at this time.
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