"Early" Moro kris

David · 4th August 2024, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Could you post pictures of a 16-17th Javanese kris showing these lines below the gandik and on the gangya?

Sorry Ian, i had missed your question. Here are a couple of examples. I can add more when i find them.

Battara · 6th August 2024, 11:05 PM

Here are examples of Indonesian kris sundang with asana-asang

Battara · 6th August 2024, 11:13 PM

Here is one of mine. It is ivory, swassa, and silver. Not much of a pamor in the blade. I believe this is from Tawi-Tawi.

Ian · 7th August 2024, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Here are examples of Indonesian kris sundang with asana-asang

Hi Jose, I would have placed these as Malay in origin. What features speak to you that these are Indonesian?

Battara · 8th August 2024, 06:05 AM

Perhaps I'm missing something, but Malay and Indonesian sundang are virtually the same.

Ian · 8th August 2024, 06:36 AM

I was referring to Melayu or other ethnicities/regions now considered part of Malaysia. Are you using "Malay" as a generic term for Malay people, defined broadly?

Battara · 9th August 2024, 02:51 AM

Now that I think of it, I guess I mistakenly was using it as a broader term. I guess I need to do a better job of definition.

Ian · 13th August 2024, 10:23 AM

Jose, I'm looking at the second of four examples you show of non-Moro kris. This one is dressed in a distinctly non-Moro fashion, which I think originates from somewhere in what is now Malaysia. The blade (from what I can see of it—there appears to be a lot of active rust) does have an "arrow head" feature that is highly correlated with Moro manufacture. So this looks like a Moro blade (probably from the Sulu Archipelago) that has been owned by a Malaysian.

Your first example might also be an old Sulu blade, redressed in a Malaysian fashion.

The last two are completely non-Moro in origin.

6th August 2024, 11:05 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	Here are examples of Indonesian kris sundang with asana-asang Attached Images

6th August 2024, 11:13 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	Here is one of mine. It is ivory, swassa, and silver. Not much of a pamor in the blade. I believe this is from Tawi-Tawi. Attached Images

8th August 2024, 06:05 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	Perhaps I'm missing something, but Malay and Indonesian sundang are virtually the same.

8th August 2024, 06:36 AM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,167	I was referring to Melayu or other ethnicities/regions now considered part of Malaysia. Are you using "Malay" as a generic term for Malay people, defined broadly?

9th August 2024, 02:51 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	Now that I think of it, I guess I mistakenly was using it as a broader term. I guess I need to do a better job of definition.

13th August 2024, 10:23 AM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,167	Jose, I'm looking at the second of four examples you show of non-Moro kris. This one is dressed in a distinctly non-Moro fashion, which I think originates from somewhere in what is now Malaysia. The blade (from what I can see of it—there appears to be a lot of active rust) does have an "arrow head" feature that is highly correlated with Moro manufacture. So this looks like a Moro blade (probably from the Sulu Archipelago) that has been owned by a Malaysian. Your first example might also be an old Sulu blade, redressed in a Malaysian fashion. The last two are completely non-Moro in origin.