Odd little barrel

Ed · 16th July 2024, 09:22 PM

Bought this some time ago. I think I got it ad thought "repro" and put it away. Now I wonder.

Length is 9" (not including the mounting protrusion) Bore is ~.75".
Note the irregularity of the bore at the muzzle.

I recall having a conversation with a fairly well known curatorial person who shall remain nameless who thought that it was "good" but "good" in what respect? Maybe as part of an old model? That would make some sense I suppose.

Material is brass.

Thoughts?

fernando · 17th July 2024, 09:33 AM

Do i see some rifles there, Ed ?

corrado26 · 17th July 2024, 01:14 PM

It looks like the model of a canon barrel with a oval system of Carl Wilhelm Ernst Berner. Guns with this kind of barrels have been in use as M 1835 in the state of Oldenburg.

fernando · 17th July 2024, 04:26 PM

Good shot , Udo

Ed · 17th July 2024, 04:52 PM

The bore at the muzzle looks a bit flared, I do not think that that profile extends more than 1/2 inch.

The "rifling" looks like some sort of scoring. It, too, is restriceted to the mussze area.

Thing is that I had thought of this barrel as part of a handgun rather than a model. That possibility just occurred to me!!!

Talk about the danger of preconceptions.

I wonder what sort of carriage it had?

Ed · 17th July 2024, 05:27 PM

Another thing ..

Look at the rear of the barrel behind the reinforce. About 1/3 if the diameter is unfinished. In other words, not to be seen. Suggests some sort of fitted mounting.

I think that this is what led me to think "pistol".

fernando · 18th July 2024, 05:14 PM

Ed, you have an email !

Richard G · 20th July 2024, 02:52 PM

Could it be an old signal cannon?
Regards
Richard

Ed · 20th July 2024, 07:31 PM

Sorta small.

David R · 24th July 2024, 12:02 PM

Replica "Handgonne" of the medieval period? Mounted on a tiller style stock and held with one or more bands.

Ed · 24th July 2024, 11:28 PM

The profile (with the reinforce and muzzle flair) say "18th century" I think

16th July 2024, 09:22 PM	#1
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	Odd little barrel Bought this some time ago. I think I got it ad thought "repro" and put it away. Now I wonder. Length is 9" (not including the mounting protrusion) Bore is ~.75". Note the irregularity of the bore at the muzzle. I recall having a conversation with a fairly well known curatorial person who shall remain nameless who thought that it was "good" but "good" in what respect? Maybe as part of an old model? That would make some sense I suppose. Material is brass. Thoughts? Attached Images

17th July 2024, 09:33 AM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Do i see some rifles there, Ed ? Attached Images

17th July 2024, 05:27 PM	#6
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	Another thing .. Look at the rear of the barrel behind the reinforce. About 1/3 if the diameter is unfinished. In other words, not to be seen. Suggests some sort of fitted mounting. I think that this is what led me to think "pistol". Attached Images

17th July 2024, 01:14 PM	#3
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,193	It looks like the model of a canon barrel with a oval system of Carl Wilhelm Ernst Berner. Guns with this kind of barrels have been in use as M 1835 in the state of Oldenburg.

17th July 2024, 04:26 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Good shot , Udo

17th July 2024, 04:52 PM	#5
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	The bore at the muzzle looks a bit flared, I do not think that that profile extends more than 1/2 inch. The "rifling" looks like some sort of scoring. It, too, is restriceted to the mussze area. Thing is that I had thought of this barrel as part of a handgun rather than a model. That possibility just occurred to me!!! Talk about the danger of preconceptions. I wonder what sort of carriage it had?

18th July 2024, 05:14 PM	#7
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Ed, you have an email !

20th July 2024, 02:52 PM	#8
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 403	Could it be an old signal cannon? Regards Richard

20th July 2024, 07:31 PM	#9
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	Sorta small.

24th July 2024, 12:02 PM	#10
David R Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,069	Replica "Handgonne" of the medieval period? Mounted on a tiller style stock and held with one or more bands.

24th July 2024, 11:28 PM	#11
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	The profile (with the reinforce and muzzle flair) say "18th century" I think