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Hi Gustav, did you get my PM from a week or so ago?
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Xasterix has recently posted some excellent pictures from a Spanish auction here. I have looked through the Moro kris shown in those pictures, and there is one that stands out for me as likely to be older than the others based on its features resembling the Javanese keris.
Panoply A from the Xasterix post has been copied below with the swords labeled. Number A-11 appears to be the oldest one shown in these pictures. It has many features seen on the "modern Javanese kris" which I mentioned above. In addition, the gandik is unusually tall for a Moro kris, more in keeping with some old keris, such as the 16th C keris I have referred to before. In my continuing search for "early" Moro kris, this one may have the most features in common with the Javanese keris. Interestingly, this one does not have an asang asang, and may never have had one (although the quality of the blown up pictures make it hard to tell if there was one originally). Seeing A-11 displayed with much larger, heavier, and (probably) more recent kris, with notably wider and longer blades, suggests to me that A-11 is a good candidate for a progenitor of the "modern Moro kris." I would place it earlier than 1800, and perhaps much earlier. . Last edited by Ian; 21st July 2024 at 08:02 PM. Reason: Spelling |
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Another A-11
18 inch blade handle (whale's tooth pommel) 4 and seven eighths inches LOA 22 and seven eighths inches. Last edited by Rick; 22nd July 2024 at 08:07 PM. |
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![]() Another one! ![]() It's 56,5 cm overall, blade alone 44,7 cm. Last edited by Sajen; 22nd July 2024 at 06:04 PM. |
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Thanks Rick and Detlef! Two lovely examples. Can you please provide measurements for length of the blade and overall.
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Thanks again to Rick and Sajen for adding the dimensions of their swords to the posts above. Rick's sword is a tad bigger, with a blade that is a cm longer (45.7 vs 44.7 cm) than Sajen's, and also longer overall (58.1 cm vs 56.5 cm). Nevertheless, these are significantly smaller than 19th C examples, such as most of those shown in the picture of the panoply above. On size alone, Rick's and Sajen's swords would be considered "archaic kris." As already noted, these two swords resemble the example A-11 shown above.
Taking a closer look at the ricikin on these two swords shows some interesting features, and perhaps some important differences. Sajen's sword is on the left; Rick's sword is on the right Apart from one sword having two asang asang and the other only one, at first sight they look remarkably similar. Closer inspection shows some small differences.
Last edited by Ian; 24th July 2024 at 05:15 AM. Reason: Corrected attributions |
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