Viking axe with christian cross? Pictures.

Esotec · 14th July 2024, 08:41 AM

Yes, I'm really happy with the provenance.
Took two pictures that better show the surface of the blade.
Dont think its glodeskall.
I am also surprised by the condition. Maybe the axe lay in sandy soil/sand, maybe Peat?

Esotec · 11th August 2024, 10:54 AM

Got the papers on the provenance today.
Unfortunately, it is not mentioned where the ax was found, which is sad.
But I received a copy of receipt of sale by Philippe Misslier at the Kassel Waffenboerse 2016 where it is stated that the axe was part of Charles Buttin's collection.
Unfortunately, it is a receipt for a lump sum purchase of x number of axes and other items where all have been included in Buttin's collection and some were published in Rumilly in 1933.
My axe is thus not specifically mentioned but one of many.
How do you think it affects the value of the provenance?

Radboud · 11th August 2024, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Esotec

Got the papers on the provenance today.
Unfortunately, it is not mentioned where the ax was found, which is sad.
But I received a copy of receipt of sale by Philippe Misslier at the Kassel Waffenboerse 2016 where it is stated that the axe was part of Charles Buttin's collection.
Unfortunately, it is a receipt for a lump sum purchase of x number of axes and other items where all have been included in Buttin's collection and some were published in Rumilly in 1933.
My axe is thus not specifically mentioned but one of many.
How do you think it affects the value of the provenance?

If your axe isn’t specifically identified in the papers then it’s the same as having no provenance in my opinion.

I’d take the auction house up on that, as there is no way to prove that your item is one of the axes mentioned.

Radboud · 12th August 2024, 06:40 AM

I've re-read your post a couple of times to try and understand the paper trail, such as it is for this item. This is what I understand it to be; is it correct?

The vendor (via the auction house) claimed to have purchased this axe head at an arms fair in 2016 from the dealer Philippe Misslier as part of a lot that was proported to come from the Charles Buttin collection.

To support the claim a receipt from Philippe has been provided. However this receipt does not specifically identify this axe head; only that x number were included in the sale.

I see two issues with this 'paper trail'.
1. There is no evidence that this axe head was purchased from Philippe Misslier in 2016 and
2. There is no evidence that this axe head was part of the Charlees Buttin collection.

All we have to go on is the unknown vendors' word...

14th July 2024, 08:41 AM	#1
Esotec Member Join Date: Jul 2024 Posts: 7	Yes, I'm really happy with the provenance. Took two pictures that better show the surface of the blade. Dont think its glodeskall. I am also surprised by the condition. Maybe the axe lay in sandy soil/sand, maybe Peat? Attached Images

11th August 2024, 10:54 AM	#2
Esotec Member Join Date: Jul 2024 Posts: 7	Got the papers on the provenance today. Unfortunately, it is not mentioned where the ax was found, which is sad. But I received a copy of receipt of sale by Philippe Misslier at the Kassel Waffenboerse 2016 where it is stated that the axe was part of Charles Buttin's collection. Unfortunately, it is a receipt for a lump sum purchase of x number of axes and other items where all have been included in Buttin's collection and some were published in Rumilly in 1933. My axe is thus not specifically mentioned but one of many. How do you think it affects the value of the provenance?

12th August 2024, 06:40 AM	#4
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 253	I've re-read your post a couple of times to try and understand the paper trail, such as it is for this item. This is what I understand it to be; is it correct? The vendor (via the auction house) claimed to have purchased this axe head at an arms fair in 2016 from the dealer Philippe Misslier as part of a lot that was proported to come from the Charles Buttin collection. To support the claim a receipt from Philippe has been provided. However this receipt does not specifically identify this axe head; only that x number were included in the sale. I see two issues with this 'paper trail'. 1. There is no evidence that this axe head was purchased from Philippe Misslier in 2016 and 2. There is no evidence that this axe head was part of the Charlees Buttin collection. All we have to go on is the unknown vendors' word...