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Old 29th June 2024, 03:42 PM   #1
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The barrel has been repaired and cleaned. The percussion tower has also been removed. This revealed a second possible screw hole, since filled.
My idea is the barrel had a screw on powderpan.
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The lock could than just have been a rectangular snap tinder lock.
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Old 30th June 2024, 03:27 PM   #2
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My idea is the barrel had a screw on powderpan.

It's a reasonable idea especially since the front drilling is offset avoid drilling into the bore . Otherwise what are these holes for ? For clarification is the hair / set trigger arrangement part of the trigger assembly as in the x ray image in your previous post?
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Old 30th June 2024, 05:21 PM   #3
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For clarification is the hair / set trigger arrangement part of the trigger assembly as in the x ray image in your previous post?
Yes the trigger assembly is one part with a set trigger system.
I have asked the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam for pictures of the inside of the rectangular locks. These internal pictutes would complete the puzzle.
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Old 4th July 2024, 04:05 PM   #4
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Sofar i have been unable to find any other locks belonging to this type of gun.
My best guess is as follows (see picture):
A rectangular lock plate with an early tumbler and sear mechanism as seen on flintlocks. The black parts are the springs, the red part is the tinder holder.
A similar mechanism can be seen on a 1530-40s snap tinder lock.
Will keep looking, any help in finding more of these guns is appreciated
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Old 9th July 2024, 06:13 PM   #5
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A chaperon from the "Schutterij", a city guard comprised of citizen soldiers, of the city Dordrecht. In this instance it belonged to the "kloveniers gilde" a Dutch interpretation of the French word couleuvrine, a short musket.

The Chaperon is embroided with a royal tree (emblem of Prince Maurits), crossed with two target guns very similar to the one in post 17. There is also a date of 1622, which is another great example of how these guns seem to have been around mostly during the first half of the 17th century coinciding with the golden age of the Netherlands.

It is very difficult to decern but it looks like the guns have a diopter visor on the front.
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Old 9th July 2024, 06:19 PM   #6
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Another one without any further information. Found in the book Schutters in Holland, page 224.
Among this example are also all the target guns currently in the Rijksmuseum, this one did not make it to the collection and is for now at unknown wereabouts.
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Old 9th July 2024, 06:42 PM   #7
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Some extra source material:
  • the first beeing a door panel from the "schutterij gilde" with two target guns and a striking iron.
  • the second a facing brick from the tower of the Amsterdam "kloveniers tower". Dateable to the second half of the 16th century, showing a heavy arquebuse with smaller foot rest than the later 17th century pieces. Dificult to tell for sure if this is a evolutionary step within the design or just an exception. The corners are both flanked by bird claws on a ball, the city sign of the "Amsterdam kloverniers".
  • the third picture is a rare insight in the shooting hall of the "Amsterdam kloveniers" as it would have been in the late 17th century (print by Jacob Appel.
  • The fourth is a Penning, a type of currency or commemorative coin. In this case from the Middelburg shooting guild (the Confrerie van de edele Busse > The guild of the noble guns). Dated 1623, similar to the one in post 30 though very hard to see due to the small details imprinted on this coin. On a side note, these type of coins were also awarded to the members of the guild and could be exchanged for a pint of wine. Other examples have the Guild mark pon one side and a funerary bier on the other side.
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