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24th June 2024, 11:17 PM
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The guard is Persian, and there were Persian trade blades with fullers. After cleaning the blade, are there any markings?
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25th June 2024, 06:25 AM
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Thank you for your comments.
Unfortunately blade has no markings. Indeed it is similar to persian trade blades, might be older. I have attached few Pictures, where similar blade, or hilt shape were used. In some other articles I read it might be Zand era blade. In polish karabela there were foreign blade used,but seems it is not the case of this sabre. |
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25th June 2024, 09:09 AM
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Hello,
I am of the opinion this is NOT a Persian but an European trade blade. I base my opinion on the configuration of the blade like the shape of the edge and the fullers. Yes, the cross-guard appears to be Persian but this is the ONLY Persian feature I can distinguish in this example. PS: In my opinion, the blade in the photo below is also an European (probably Solingen) trade blade. |
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25th June 2024, 10:22 AM
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Several examples of carabela handles and crosspieces |
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25th June 2024, 01:11 PM
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Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt.
If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ? |
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25th June 2024, 02:37 PM
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Indeed persian blades where usually not straight, but please look at the example I ve added. That one is with persian trade blade. Last one is with "karabela" (anatomical) hilt.
If it is europen trade blade, it looks like mounted with persian fashion and karabela like hilt. XVII century ? |
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30th June 2024, 08:58 AM
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I was not able to find any other similar blade as the one posted earlier. It might be a a europen trade blade.. can you share your thoughts on date? Any similar baldes you saw?
Adding here full blade from other example I have found, plus museum examples of the swords with persian trade blades. |
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9th October 2024, 12:31 PM
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Hi,
Just saw similar blade in one of the past auctions - mentioned as eastern europe hussar's sabre XVII-XVII. On top of that, same blade I have found in one of the temporary exhibitions in the museum. Dated in similar way, but present in two sabres - Russian's hussar sabre and Austrian hussar's sabre. So indeed European trade blade widely used (same one was in syrian example above) |
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